ELP Digest Wednesday, 14 Oct 1992 Volume 2 : Issue 21 The "Rejoice, Glory is Ours" Edition Today's Topics: Re: Affairs of the Heart CD single Re: ELP Digest V2 #20 ("Affairs..." CD single) ELP Questions concerts elp digest question (and related conversation) about `Rondo' ELP PHOTOS _Welcome Back_ length, _Atlantic Years_ musings ELP Tour Merchandise Flyer Some ELP stuff available in here... Affairs Of The Heart Single SPOILER ELP at the Royal Albert Hall, Oct 2nd, 1992 Digest, mailing address, and administrative stuff to: J.Arnold@bull.com\ = for now, these are the same ELP-related info that you / want to put in the digest to: J.Arnold@bull.com Note: The opinions, information, etc. contained in this digest are those of the original message sender listed in each message below. They are not necessarily those of the mailing list/digest administrator or those of any institution through whose computers/networks this mail flows. ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Sir Prize!!! Subject: Re: Affairs of the Heart CD single Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 12:39:13 PDT I've seen it on sale back home in Southern California. I saw it in a CD/ high-end stereo store called The Digital Ear. It sold for $9.95 I think. I don't have the address handy right now, but I can find out the address and phone number, or someone can call information @ (714) 555-1212, and the city is Tustin. They only had one copy, but I'm sure they're willing to special order more (they have one of the best selections of imports I've ever seen). There's also a place right here called the Rock House, and they special order import stuff too, but I'm not too sure about their prices (Digital Ear's prices for regular CD's are ~$1-2 below average (Tower, et al.), pretty good IMHO). I don't have the Rock House's address/phone# handy either, but I guess it would be easier for me to give them everyone's orders or something. Sending them all out's gonna be hell though.......0-} * * * * * * * * * * ** ** *** **** ****** ********* Jesse Chang (Sir Prize!!!) INTERNET: uslave@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu * "Step inside! Hello! We've the most amazing show..." -- ELP, Karn Evil 9 * * * * * * * * * * ** ** *** **** ****** ******** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 21:25 GMT From: Toby Hart Dyke Subject: Re: ELP Digest V2 #20 ("Affairs..." CD single) >ELP Digest V2 #20 >From: arnold@cyclades.ma30.bull.com - ------------------------------------------------------------ > >Subject: INFO NEEDED: Affairs Of The Heart Seedy Single >From: wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) >Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 19:53:59 EDT > > >Just found out that there will be or already is an "Affairs Of The >Heart" UK CD single!! > >Anyone know what's on this puppy? > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Anil Prasad | "For NASA, space is still a high priority." >---------------------------| >wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca | >wcsanil@alfred.carleton.ca | -- J. Danforth Quayle, 09/05/90 >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[ Editor's note: I'm sure that other readers and myself would also be > interested in knowing where one might find this item. If > it's hard to get here in the US and any readers (in the UK > or with connections to the UK) have a way to order some > copies, I'd be glad to arrange to collect orders and > handle the details for getting currency converted, > mailing, etc. Just let us know! - John - ] > >------------------------------ John, I'd be pleased to help if I can. I have looked (somewhat half-heartedly, I'd admit!) for this CD single, but haven't seen it anywhere. I work in central London, so I have access to a number of large record shops, so at least one of them should have some, or be able to order them. I'm off to see ELP on Saturday at the Royal Albert Hall (where Keith got banned from with the Nice in the late sixties, after burning the US flag while playing "America"). I'll let you know how it goes! (I've also got tickets for another show on Oct. 26th at the same venue :-) :-) Toby Hart Dyke thart@cix.compulink.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 18:46:47 EST From: (Matt Hill) Subject: ELP Questions (for the digest, if you think they would be ok for it.) On the CDs of Brain Salad Surgery that my friend and I own, the music drops out very briefly in the 2nd part of the 1st impression of Karn Evil 9, right after the line "We've got thrills and shocks" Is this like this on the records as well? Was it intentional (a shock?) or just a goof in the mastering? Also, I would like to know if anyone has any roios (recordings of indeterminate origins) of the current tour. I have one, and would be interested in hearing from anyone else who does, especially if it's a soundboard. oo 54 L e d Z e p p e l i n 69 79 [ Editor's reply: Subject: re: ELP Questions Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 10:07:32 -0400 From: arnold Re: Matt's first question >>> On the CDs of Brain Salad Surgery that my friend and I own, the music >>> drops out very briefly in the 2nd part of the 1st impression of Karn >>> Evil 9, right after the line "We've got thrills and shocks" Is this >>> like this on the records as well? Was it intentional (a shock?) or >>> just a goof in the mastering? This is an intentional effect that seems to be the aural equivalent of slamming on the brakes after a few laps on a Grand Prix circuit. (Another example of the effectiveness of silence.) This gasp for air was even done live on the tours where they played all of KE9. - John - ] ------------------------------ From: Sir Prize!!! Subject: concerts Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 16:32:15 PDT You wouldn't happen to know if they're planning to go around again, would you? I really wanted to see them the first time, but I was unable to go... You wouldn't happen to have an ELP logo pin you'd consider selling, would you? 0-} * * * * * * * * * * ** ** *** **** ****** ********* Jesse Chang (Sir Prize!!!) INTERNET: uslave@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu * "Step inside! Hello! We've the most amazing show..." -- ELP, Karn Evil 9 * * * * * * * * * * ** ** *** **** ****** ******** [ Editor's reply: To: Sir Prize!!! Subject: Re: concerts Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 09:56:48 -0400 From: arnold In response to Jesse's questions: >>> You wouldn't happen to know if they're planning to go around again, >>> would you? I really wanted to see them the first time, but I was >>> unable to go... There are rumors that another brief North American tour might happen in fall/winter. I think the European tour keeps them busy until November, however. >>> You wouldn't happen to have an ELP logo pin you'd consider selling, >>> would you? 0-} Sorry. I bought one for myself but have no extras. The people who make the stuff for sale on tour however is Brockum (sp??). Maybe I could get their address/phone off the tour booklet and we could see if they'll sell by mail to people who didn't get to see them live. - John - ] ------------------------------ From: selick@cs.bu.edu (Steven Selick) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 09:28:06 -0400 To: J.Arnold@bull.com Subject: elp digest question (and related conversation) about `Rondo' [ Editor's note: The following is a series of correspondence shrunk down to 1 message for brevity. I think I've left all the content intact though I've done some editing. ] I was at a "Jazz Brunch" at John Harvard's Brew House in Harvard Sq, right near Harvard University in Cambridge, MA, on Sunday. Right after "Take Five" I heard, much to my surprise, a jazz trio version of the Rondo that Emerson plays in the finale of his elp concerts. Was this some early Nice recording, or did Emerson do a collaboration with some other Jazz artits as in the Manhatten Collection? It was a very refreshing version of the piece, and it actually took a minute to figure out where I had heard it before, although it was most definately Emerson at the Piano. - -Steve ====== To: selick@cs.bu.edu (Steven Selick) Cc: arnold Subject: Re: elp digest question Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 10:14:17 -0400 re: Rondo encore It's actually not that surprising to hear a jazz band do this once you know the origin. `Rondo' as the Nice called it is/was a rendition of Dave Brubeck's Blue Rondo a la Turk. So Emerson's rendition of it has always been as a cover of the Brubeck piece. One of these days, Jim Smith (who helped me start the ELP Digest) and I will finish our article about the covers/riffs of other songs/composers that have found their way into various Nice/ELP tunes. - - John - ====== From: selick@cs.bu.edu (Steven Selick) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 10:50:58 -0400 To: arnold@cyclades.ma30.bull.com Subject: Re: elp digest question So I suppose then, that since I had just heard Take Five, that it could very well have been that original Brubeck version then? Is there a CD or album that would have had them both on it? - -Steve ====== From: selick@cs.bu.edu (Steven Selick) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 12:19:06 -0400 To: arnold@cyclades.ma30.bull.com Subject: Re: elp digest question Do you think Emerson himself may have done a jazz trio version of the tune? Perhaps he did a true rendition of the song? It really did sound too much like Emerson's playing... - -Steve ====== To: selick@cs.bu.edu (Steven Selick) Subject: Re: elp digest question Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 13:23:09 -0400 From: arnold >>> Do you think Emerson himself may have done a jazz trio version of the >>> tune? Perhaps he did a true rendition of the song? >>> It really did sound too much like Emerson's playing... At times, the Nice sound wasn't all that different from a jazz trio. That, coupled with Emerson's obvious affinity for jazz piano, would lead me to believe that he has played it pretty `straight'. As I recall, the Brubeck version I've heard is more `jumpy' than the Emerson version but I don't think that Emerson stretches much from the original in his rendition (as oppsoed to say, Toccata, for which there are parts where it is hard to tell which is Keith `value-added' and which Ginestera). - - John - ====== To: selick@cs.bu.edu (Steven Selick) Subject: Re: elp digest question Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 09:30:38 -0400 From: arnold Steve: I talked to my brother last night and got the following info. There is a CD that has the Dave Brubeck Quartet version of both Take Five and Blue Rondo a la Turk on it. It is called "Time Out" by the Dave Brubeck Quartet and is in the Columbia Jazz Masterpieces Series, catalog # 40585. I'm pretty sure this is one of the cheaper price ranges of CDs, too. Also, my brother reminded me that Brubeck's rendition of Rondo is something more like 9/8 time, while Keith has adapted it to 4/4. - - John - ------------------------------ Date: 29 Sep 92 20:36:58 EDT From: Damien DeSimone <71221.2364@CompuServe.COM> Subject: ELP PHOTOS Howdy: A friend of mine has some new ELP 8 x 10 photos for sale. These were taken at the rehearsal show from 7/22 and the Hartford show from 8/4. He had a photo pass for both shows. For more info, send a self-addressed stamped envelope to: Mike Tusa 45 Seward Drive Dix Hills, NY 11746-7907 USA Tell him I sent ya! BTW, I have seen some of these photos, and they are *very cool*! Regards, Damien 5545135@mcimail.com ------------------------------ Date: 02 Oct 1992 14:11:46 -0400 (EDT) From: FISHBOY Subject: _Welcome Back_ length, _Atlantic Years_ musings Can someone please tell me the length of the _Welcome Back, MY Friends_ live set? The reason I'm wondering is that I don't want to spend a good sum of money on a double disc import unless it has a decent amount of music on it. (_Yesshows_, for example, is only 77 minutes long, and thus could fit on one CD, but it was released as a double.) Regarding the _Atlantic Years_ compilation. I like it. In particular: - The segued together KE9 First Impression - The great improvement in sound quality, especially on the early stuff - The original "I Believe in Father Christmas." I never heard that before, unless that's the version I always hear on the radio around X-mas. Anyone know? I can't remember off-hand. Things I don't like: - My major complaint (other than that they should have put out a boxed set!) is that the set doesn't show much indication of the band's sense of humor. Someone with only a little exposure to ELP who bought this would never know the band has a lighter side. Personally, I'd replace "Tank" with "The Sheriff" and "Are You Ready, Eddy?", but that's a matter of opinion. - The mislabeling of the tracks on disc two, and the omission of song lengths. Again, someone who didn't know much about the band would be totally baffled when listening to the second disc. Well, that's all I can think of, but "There might have been things I missed." - Andy Acunzo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 19:11:25 pdt From: Jim Smith Subject: ELP Tour Merchandise Flyer A few people have asked me for more information about the merchandise and information brochures that were available at the concerts, so here is most of the text from that brochure. ==J=i=m='=s= =l=i=n=e= =o=f= =M=e=r=c=h=a=n=d=i=s=i=n=g= =G=r=e=e=d== ELP INVITES YOU TO JOIN IN Here's your chance to grab some of the latest Emerson, Lake, and Palmer merchandise around. Through this exclusive offer, you can order one-of-a-kind tour souvenirs, from the latest 1992 World Tour T-Shirt to an official, personally-autographed tambourine. You can also sign up for the OFFICIAL ELP NEWS SERVICE and receive a year's worth of newsletters featuring the latest inside photos, behind-the-scene stories, confidential interviews, your fan mail and pen pals plus the answers to the questions you've always wanted to ask ELP. Now you can enjoy not only the sounds of one of the world's greatest collaboration of musicians, but you will also have ELP's limited-edition merchandise at your fingertips. Simply call our toll-free number (1-800-777-4-ELP) to use your VISA or MasterCard or use our convenient order form. Act today, as our quantities are limited. And welcome back, my friends, to the show that never ends...... Statue T-shirt ["The Atlantic Years" cover in color on front of black shirt] Tour dates on back Available in M,L, & XL (739-001) $20.00 Tye-Dye T-shirt [large ELP logo on front] Colors vary Available in M,L, & XL (739-002) $36.00 Carousel T-shirt [Black Moon cover] Tour dates on back Available in M,L, & XL (739-003) $20.00 Dove T-shirt [first album cover] Logo on back Available in M,L, & XL (739-004) $20.00 Brain Salad T-shirt Logo on back Available in M,L, & XL (739-005) $20.00 Tarkus T-shirt Logo on back Available in M,L, & XL (739-006) $20.00 Pirate T-shirt [skull and crossbones on front] Logo on back Oversized (739-007) $23.00 Baseball cap Black with white logo One size fits all (739-701) $16.00 LIMITED EDITION Brain Salad Surgery Personally autographed print Limited Quantities Suitable for framing (739-401) $185.00 Personally autographed 1992 Tour tambourine 6" in diameter Limited quantities (739-801) $45 1992 Tour Book Personally autographed 20 pages (739-501) $30.00 Flash! Late Arrivals! - Personally autographed Carl Palmer drumsticks - Personally autographed Greg Lake harmonica PHONE FOR DETAILS ORDERING INFORMATION SHOPPING BY PHONE For greater convenience and to expedite your order, please call 1-800-777-4357 24 hours a day, seven days a week and use your Mastercard or Visa. Please have item #'s and credit card number with expiration date. SHOPPING BY MAIL When ordering by mail, please supply all information requested on the order form including a day phone number and print legibly. Orders returned to us due to illegible or incomplete addresses will be subject to a $5 processing fee plus all reship charges. Be sure to enclose your check or money order. Send cash at your own risk. SIZING: All t-shirts are in men's sizes with few exceptions. Please allow for shrinkage. There is a $5 restocking fee plus all reship charges for wrong size ordering, so if in doubt, order the LARGER size. SHIPPING: Allow 4-6 weeks for delivery on all items. Please include a street address for traceable delivery. Foreign, Canadian orders and items sent to APO, FPO, Alaska, Hawaii and P.O. box addresses are not traceable and we do not take responsibility for lost packages. Sorry, we do not offer express or rush delivery or split-ship orders. INTERNATIONAL & CANADIAN ORDERS: Money orders and checks must be in U.S. funds. We do not reship or refund lost orders or allow exchanges. All foreign duties must be payed by the customer. RETURNS AND EXCHANGES: All exchanges and returns that we are not at fault for will be subject to a $5.00 processing fee plus any reship charges, prepaid. SUBSTITUTIONS: Due to demand, items may become unavailable for shipment. Please list alternate sizes or products to expedite your order delivery and to avoid issuance of credit memos and refunds. SOLD OUT PRODUCTS: In the event that you have ordered an item that has been sold out, a credit memo will be issued which may be submitted for future purchases (original copy, ONLY). Prices and availability subject to change without notice. California residents must add sales tax of 8.5% on merchandise. Foreign orders must include telephone number or your order could be delayed. Mail order and payment to: ELP News Service P.O. Box 884554 Dept. EL-01 San Francisco, CA 94188 Please allow 4-6 weeks delivery. Name / Address / City / Phone (very important) / Date of Birth / Male/Female VISA/MasterCard / Account Number / Signature / Country / Postal Code Item# / Description / Size / Price / Qty / Amount (alternate item ) "Yes sign me up for the Official ELP News Service $12" Subtotal / Tax (CA only) / Shipping / News Service / Total SHIPPING & HANDLING: DOMESTIC CANADIAN/ SUBTOTAL (U.S.) FOREIGN $1.00 - $30.00 $5.50 $18.00 $30.01 - $45.00 $7.50 $27.00 $45.01 & up add 15% add 50% of Subtotal of Subtotal {==J=i=m='=s= =l=i=n=e= =o=f= =M=e=r=c=h=a=n=d=i=s=i=n=g= =G=r=e=e=d== Yeesh! Well, that's showbiz. A few observations: - The tambourine looked pretty cheesy to me, like a toy. - I subscribed to the info service, which is 6 issues for $12, and will share any new info that is in it. - I asked about ELP decals and pins, which were being sold at the concerts in addition to the above merchandise, and they said that they did not carry those. They were made by Brockum, so maybe they'll be in stores. Regards, - Jim smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com [ Editor's note: Please remember that neither Jim nor the ELP Digest can verify the legitimacy of this information. Note well that they apparently offer no money back if you're not satisfied. I'm glad to pass along this info but thought a "buyer beware" note was due since I've never heard of anyone having done business with these folks before. ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 05:48:20 PDT From: Subject: Some ELP stuff available in here... ****************************************************************************** FreaksDigest --- vol 1 no 547 --- posts for 30-Sep-92 ****************************************************************************** Table of Contents Num Subject Sender Length 1 hola again.... (42) ************************* articles are as follows ************************* =================================== 1 ===================================== From: mjgiles@ucdavis.edu (Jason Giles) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 08:52:16 -0700 Subject: hola again.... I have access to some discs that some people might be interested in. They are all new discs, freshly(?) imported from foreign lands. All prices do not include shipping and handling, so please take that into consideration: Marillion- 6 of 1 [U.K. Import] ... $18.00 Marillion- B'Sides Themselves... $14.00 Marillion- Live From Loreley Laserdisc... $40.00 Marillion- Reel to Real .... $14.00 Marillion- Sympathy #1 Single ... $$8.00 Marillion- Sympathy #2 Single ... $8.00 Fish - Vigil In a Wilderness... $15.00 Fish - Something In the Air #1 Single ... $8.00 Fish - Credo Single ... $8.00 other items of interest: ELP - Black Moon SIngle... $8.00 ELP - Love Beach (jap)... $20.00 ELP - Welcome Back My Friends to the Show... 2 CD Japanese Set... $33.00 ELP - Pictures at an Exhibition Laserdisc... $42.00 Yes - 9012Live (Japanesee) ... $21.00 Yes - Greatest Video Hist Laserdisc ... $42.00 Yes - Union w/Give and Take Bonus Track ... $18.00 Yes - Yesshows 2 CD Jap Set... $31.00 Asia - Greatest Hits Live Laserdisc ... $53.00 Asia - Live Mockba Laserdisc ... $41.00 King Crimson Box Set ... $50.00 King Crimson titles(Islands, Lizards, red, wake of poseidon, court)... $13/each and much more. If you are interested in any of these, or want a price on something else, lemme know and I'll see what I can do. Laters all, Jason itlm018@othello.ucdavis.edu =================================== END ===================================== - ---------- end of articles for freaks mailing list on 30-Sep-92 ---------- FreaksDigest is a compilation of postings to "Freaks," the Marillion mailing list, and is distributed once a night. To post to the list: go09+freaks@andrew.cmu.edu For subsciption related requests: go09+@andrew.cmu.edu All lyrics are on line as well as lyrics to bsides To use the lyrics server: send a message with Subject line: Subject: HELP to go09+lyrics@andrew.cmu.edu Back issues/band dicographies/band history/fan club info/annotated bootleg lists/mail order info/and oh so much more are available via archive server as well as via anonymous ftp To use either the archive server or ftp: send a message with the Subject line: Subject: help to go09+archive@andrew.cmu.edu my name is graham, i won't use capital letters, but do drop me a line :-) - ------------------- end of FreaksDigest vol 1 no 547 ------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 16:25:35 PDT From: Mark.McCarron-Fraser@Corp.Sun.COM (Mark McCarron-Fraser) Subject: Affairs Of The Heart Single Hi friends - About the "Affairs Of The Heart" cassette single: Some folks (Progression Magazine, I think) were handing them out at the Concord show if you filled out a questionaire. When they ran out of questionaires they just gave away the singles to anyone. The upshot of this is: I have two spare copies. They have a sticker saying that the cassette? or album are (were) on sale at Tower. (Gross commercialization eh?) This cassette contains "Affairs Of The Heart" backed with "Affairs Of The Heart". It's the album edition, so this is really for collector freaks only. These cassettes are available. I'm not sure how to decide who gets them, but send me a note if you're interested. And tell me what is the concept behind Brain Salad Surgery (in 200 words or less). I'll try to see if I can track down some more of these cassettes. - Mark ------------------------------ SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER From: Ronald L Chrisley Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 13:46:27 +0100 Subject: ELP at the Royal Albert Hall, Oct 2nd, 1992 Well, I finally got to see ELP. A very entertaining show. Some highlights: As far as I know, this was the first ELP gig in the UK for 15 years! The gig was supposedly being broadcast live on Radio 1; but no one on alt.music.progressive has confirmed this... Needless to say, I'd like a tape. The set list was the same as the other shows, except: Close to Home *before* Creole Dance; I *didn't* like the midi'ed strings on the former; I'm glad that Creole Dance no longer has an obvious Dede De Vida section in it. No Affairs of the Heart. Honky Tonk Train Blues was added. Fun! Still... You Turn Me On was right after From The Beginning. Comments: Lake was in the center, and I did not see the Persian rug. That was the best version of Lucky Man I've ever heard live; the other acoustic version has always missed the irony of the song by failing to repeat the chorus *after* the man dies (plus, Keith's solo was great). Keith used the "ribbon" controller in Iconoclast, and went out into the audience, but there was a technical fault: no fireworks. Our seats were excellent: 100 ft from Keith or so. After Pictures, I just had to go up and shake his hand, which I did! There's another date being added for the Royal Albert Hall: Oct 27th, I believe. They were selling Keith's Christmas album there, with a flyer that said that it "is not yet available in stores". The vendor wouldn't believe me when I said I've had my copy for 2 years. Yes, it is the old album,; I looked at the track list. Black Moon suffered live, since Keith insisted on using no sequencing. I though it would have been a good compromise for him to play the entry of each voice, and then have it loop automatically... Oh well, must go. Great show. Ron ------------------------------ End of ELP Digest [Volume 2 Issue 21] *************************************