ELP Digest Tuesday, March 7 1995 Volume 5 : Issue 7 The "Mood I'm In" Edition Today's Topics: Impressions "import" CD Emerson's GX-1 Ha! They need each other! fwd: Re: ELP's Trilogy? Re: Favourite moments need of unplugged ELP Mobile Fidelity's ELP - Trilogy : a brief review Paer Lindh's "Gothic Impressions" Palmer's 'heavy' kit... The Greg Lake Band? Re: ELP Classical Connection intro Prelude ======= Hello again. We're dangerously close to being back to the "standard" of ELP Digest items being published within 2 weeks of when I receive them. Hooray! Also, I think I misplaced a few messages people sent me back last November when I first asked people to send me questions directed to Peter Sinfield. I'm starting to collect a set of questions for Peter. If you have any questions about Peter's work (with or without ELP), please mail them to me. ---> And if you sent them to me back in 1994, please send them again. <--- - John - ------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 08:54:35 -0500 From: Jeff Mallory To: arnold@iii.net Subject: Impressions "import" CD I bought this in NYC last year and it is _really_ bad. poor, poor sound and dying batteries in the recorder (wooooooowww and flutter city!). Has anyone listened to any of the other imports that CAT mentioned from the cdnow.com list? JJM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 09:52:24 -0500 To: arnold@iii.net From: GregDunn@indy.net (Greg Dunn) Subject: Emerson's GX-1 Guys, you've probably gotten several replies along this line already, but just in case... >I thought both his GX-1's died, the original and the one from John Paul >Jones. One of them a tractor accident I believe. Did you get them working >again. AFAIK, Emerson stopped touring with the GX-1 (the second was brought along as a spare, but rarely needed due to its high reliability) largely because his specially added oscillator bank needed a lot of tuning/tweaking, and he eventually got all the sounds he needed from his smaller, more rugged Korgs. The one was in fact run over by a tractor. Keith practiced in a studio built in a shed on his farm; a tractor ran off the road and took out one wall, dragging the GX along for 20 yards or so. (Keith wasn't in the studio when it happened!) It was in fact repaired, and he subsequently used it for recording again. So I suspect both are in serviceable condition. They were about US$50,000 new, though, so I would expect them to go for quite a packet today -- especially in view of their history! -- | Greg Dunn | "Information is not knowledge; | | Greg@gdunn.nawc-ad-indy.navy.mil | knowledge is not wisdom; | | 72447.1310@compuserve.com | wisdom is not truth." | | GregDunn@aol.com | Frank Zappa | ------------------------------ From: Marshall Wood Subject: Ha! To: arnold@iii.net Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 09:59:24 -0500 (EST) In the latest issue of the ELP digest, you wrote: >>"The Electric Light Orchestra will be celebrating its 25th anniversary >>next year with a new album called 'In the Hot Seat'. The band also is >>planning a huge world tour to coincide with the album's release. The >>band has long been involved with charity, and this album is no exception: >>Royalties from the song 'Daddy', which may be the first released single, >>will be donated to the Sara Anne Wood Rescue Center for Missing and Ab- >>ducted Children." >> >>~~~Suzanne >>gird@twsuvm.uc.twsu.edu >> >[ Editor's note: Someone get THEM a ladder! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ROTFL! This gets the "Spit my coffee on the screen award" for the day! Thanks! --MWood ------------------------------ From: bjorn-are.davidsen@s.hk.telenor.no Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 11:48:28 +0100 To: John E Arnold Subject: They need each other! From: Liv. G. Whetmore To: J. Arnold, via Bjorn Are Davidsen Subject: They need each other! Hello and Happy New Year to everybody! Let's hope it will be a VERY happy ELP year with a wonderfull, long awaited World Tour! Someone asked, does E need L & P and that's an interesting question! I think in many ways he does, because - of all the music Keith has made, the best has come out of ELP! However, I like a lot of his solo stuff too, in fact, I think the man is a musical genius and whatever he does musically, it always has that distinctive Emerson style which I love and which no-one could ever copy! But I think the musical magnetism between E, L & P is quite unique and when the 3 work with other musicians, some of that magnetism lacks! ELPowell were great and I love the album they released, but I still prefer Carl's style of drumming, it suits Keith's and Greg's music better. I also like 3, although that was a more commercial set-up! But Robert Berry is no match to Greg Lake, so again, something was lacking! The only set up we haven't experienced, is Greg & Carl with a different keyboard player and, quite frankly, I hope I don't live to experience that, it would break my heart! Greg and Carl definetely need Keith!! Thanks to Bjorn Are for all your help and hello to my 2 ELPals Suzanne Gird and Emily McGowan! Liv. G. Whetmore, 28 Stonebanks, Manor Rd, Walton-on-Thames, Surrey KT12 2QE, ENGLAND ------------------------------ From: arnold@kilsythe.banyan.com (John Arnold) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 09:00:14 +0500 Subject: fwd: Re: ELP's Trilogy? To: arnold@iii.net Here's an answer I got firectly from Mobile Fidelity asking about a MoFi version of Trilogy... >From mofi@crl.com (Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab), on 02-01-95 3:58 PM: > >Hi! > > Since last fall, I've seen mention off-and-on from various places (e.g., > record stores who track upcoming releases) of a MoFi version of > Emerson, Lake & Palmer's Trilogy album. > > As an ELP fan (I run the Internet's ELP Digest, see > http:://bliss.berkeley.edu/elp for the ELP home page complete with a > pointer to your info on the MoFi Tarkus release!) and an owner of the > excellent MoFi "Tarkus", I'd like to know if this is going to be > released soon. > > Also, let me chime in with a request for ELP's Brain Salad Surgery if > you think you could market it successfully. > > Thanks for any info. > > - John Arnold - Trilogy is one of our January releases. It should certainly be in the stores by now. Thanks for asking. Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab | Phone: (707) 829-0134 105 Morris Street | Phone: (800) 423-5759 Sebastopol, CA 95472 | Fax: (707) 829-3746 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 22:04:06 -0500 (EST) From: terry kroetsch f Subject: Re: Favourite moments To: John E Arnold Speaking of favourite moments of ELP music (which, I know, we weren't but what a lovely thread....) a put a vote in for 3 minutes and 43 seconds in to Karn Evil 9 First Impression after GL sings "Fight Tomorrow" up to 5:13. This contains everything I love about that band - deft bass lines, crisp percussion and Emerson doing Emerson all spinning along with great accuracy. Flashy and dramatic. I even love the cool electric guitar solo later on - neat production on that bit. But then there's Eruption, too... ------------------------------ From: Adriano Melis Subject: need of unplugged ELP To: arnold@iii.net Date: Mon, 6 Feb 95 16:17:38 MET Hi folks I've been a fan of ELP since iu was a kid in the early seventies and i wish to suggest to make sort of pushing on the band to reharse and perform part of the repertoire just on piano, bass, ac. drums and of course voice. Yes, i would like to listen ELP acoustic, just as on the best part of the triple album "welcome back...." Is anyone out there who got the same desire as mine? ps. if my English isn't correct try to read "between the lines", i'm from italy and unfortunately i read in English far more often than i speak. adriano pps. thanx to john for creating ELPdigest! [ Editor's note: Actually, I would love to hear an ELP "unplugged" album with a bow toward their jazz influences (as on the live album). And, when I was able to ask Greg Lake a question on the radio a few years, I specifically asked him about this. His answer revolved around the difficulties in the "acoustic" aspects of the bass. (You'll recall that the live stuff includes electric bass, drums, and piano.) Of course, Greg should (and probably does) know about the acoustic bass guitars you can buy that are set up like electric basses (i.e., they're played with frets like bass guitars not like acoustic bass violes). In fact, I think he used one on watching over you. I'm still hoping for this kind of thing some day. - John - ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Feb 1995 17:08:03 -0800 From: maureen@danea-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov (Mo Hanrahan) To: arnold@iii.net Subject: Mobile Fidelity's ELP - Trilogy : a brief review Organization: JPL > From: ken_stuart@macshasta.snowcrest.net (ken stuart) > Organization: MacShasta > Reply-To: ken_stuart@macshasta.snowcrest.net > Subject: Mobile Fidelity's ELP - Trilogy : a brief review > Date: 03 Feb 1995 02:35:34 GMT > > Hello, > > Recently Moblie Fidelity introduced another Ultradisc version of an Emerson, > Lake and Palmer album - this time Trilogy. > > A few months back, I posted a review of their Tarkus Ultradisc CD, and a > summary of that review is that the MF Tarkus is easily the best version yet > of that album, the Victory Tarkus CD is a good value at its bargain CD > price, and the Atlantic Tarkus CD is only suitable for making into a > novelty clock. > :-) > > Given the excellent results they had with Tarkus, I did not extensively > examine the sound of the MF Trilogy, not did I do extensive comparisons. I > did compare it with the VIctory Trilogy. My impression is that, again, the > MF version is significantly better. However, the difference is not quite as > great as it was for Tarkus, and it seems that the MF Tarkus has overall > better sound quality than the MF Trilogy - which would indicate that the > master tape for Trilogy has not aged quite as well as that for Tarkus. > In my casual listening, it was mostly the very high treble that was > affected -- cymbals on the MF Trilogy are lacking somewhat, in a way that > they are not on the MF Tarkus. > > However, given the exceptional quality of composition and performance on > Trilogy, a classic album, I do find the MF Trilogy to be worth the > investment -- especially given that this is likely to be the last > pressing ever of this music (IMHO - I have no way of knowing for sure). > > Ken > ken@macshasta.com Sla/n, Mo! Maureen@eWorld.com ------------------------------ From: bjorn-are.davidsen@s.hk.telenor.no Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 13:39:58 +0100 To: John E Arnold Subject: Paer Lindh's "Gothic Impressions" GOTHIC KEITHS? I just got to hear Paer Lindh's marvellous album "Gothic Impressions" from 1994, which sounds like a mellow version of 70's ELP. Lindh is a highly talented and well educated Swedish keyboardist, playing everything from Church Organ to Harpsichord on the CD, and having contributions from Anglagard members (among those the so called "new Carl Palmer", Mattias Olsson), a seven-members choir, two guitarist and several other instrumentists and vocalists. And Paer gives (not surprisingly, when hearing the music) credit for inspiration from "J.S. Bach, Keith Emerson and the Chartres Cathedral". Among several pieces there are two long tracks, "Cathedral" (19 minutes) and an interpretation of, yes indeed, Mussorgsky's "Night On Bare Monuntain". Even if not so furiously aggressive as was the ELP trademark in the early seventies, there are lots of great stuff for us addicts. In short, the CD is highly recommended! Available from several places, among those being Sights & Sounds on their Internet adress Genesisman@aol.com for $18. I had the great opportunity to be present at the Norwegian ELP Evening last year, when Paer, Mattias and a Swedish Greg Lake singalike, played "Take a Pebble", "Trilogy" and parts of "Pictures" ("Lead me from tortured dreams..."). Great interpretations! When I talked to Paer at the evening he told about his personal meetings with Keith and his keyboard technician Will Alexander. I even got to see a very favorable article/report on ELP he had written in 1993 for a Swedish professional music magazine in which he strongly argued that ELP had developed an exciting musical genre of themselves, and were not to be put under any condescending label. Any Swedes on the list who may send a copy to a hungry Norwegian, as I was silly enough not to secure one from Paer? BTW - are there any Swedes on the Digest? Re: PROGRESSION The January 1995 issue of Progression, the Journal of progressive rock is a 116 pages walkthrough of todays prog scene, and with ELP being mentioned on every second page or something. There's a 9 pages interview with Greg, telling about "In The Hot Seat" and "Daddy". It looks like not even Greg is satisfied with the CD. And he tells about Keith being able to use only three fingers on his injured arm during the recording. That explains a lot! Among a heap of interesting info Greg also says that it's difficult to asess Keith's arm, as he at some points says it's improving and at other points says it's not. Greg also goes against the "image of us that we fell out and had these huge rows" and says that was never the case, the boys being simply too tired physically and mentally. He suggests that they should have taken a break from touring earlier than 75, done their solo stuff and returned with force in the late 70's thus perhaps having been able to go on as a group through the 80's. . Aside from this interview there is a very favorable review of the "Pictures", Lyceum video (from dec 70), an even more favorable review of the Tarkus gold CD (GREAT sound!!!) and a thorough bashing of In The Hot Seat. We'll not "get into that" here.... There's a long presentation of the American prog group Mastermind, which even if guitar oriented is very inspired by our heroes. Progression goes as long as to say that their CD "Mastermind III" is "music you and I wish ELP would be still doing - complex and intricate, poitively dripping with grandeur, passion and soul". And there's an "exclusive" interview with Jordan Rudess "who's astonishing skill and speed on the keyboards can defy aural comprehension", at the time playing with Dixie Dregs. Rudess says that the first time he heard Tarkus, "it had a big effect on me". He also says that he has tried to meet with Keith, however "he leaves too soon after the shows!" Progression may be ordered as stated in a previous Digest from John Collinge, Editor; Progression, Dept.P, P.O. Box 7164, Lowell, Ma. 01852 USA A one-year subscription (four issues) in the US, Puerto Rico and Canada is $18. All other countries $23. A sample issue is $3 U.S.-Canada, $4 elsewhere. Bjo/rn Are ------------------------------ From: Cadence And Cascade Subject: Palmer's 'heavy' kit... To: arnold@iii.net Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 23:02:34 -0500 (EST) A question for you guys out there: In the 'Welcome Back' video, Carl tells the story of his stainless steel kit collapsing the stage and the subsequent cancelling of the show. He cites the location as Roanoke, West Virginia. Now then, I am wondering if anyone knows if the site was in fact Roanoke, VIRGINIA, not W.VA?. I ask this because Roanoke is my home, and I find it hard to believe that a city as conservative as Roanoke was in the 70s would have even been considered for an ELP show. The thought of such greatness in the town I grew up in boggles the mind. If anyone knows, please e-mail me. Thanks! -Bill Wade wwade@vt.edu ------------------------------ From: Bill Wade Subject: The Greg Lake Band? To: arnold@iii.net Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 21:08:29 -0500 (EST) OK, here's one for you: I was browsing on CDConnection moments ago and noticed the following listing: >iMXLG002 LAKE*GREG BAND GREG LAKE BAND $25.90 IMPORT FROM JAPAN Does anybody know what this recording might be? A live album from the early 80s, perhaps? The only other thing I could think of was Manoevers under a different name or, though I'd say it's highly unlikely, the show Greg did back in November (or whenever it was) to promote the 'Daddy' single. Anyone else have a clue? ------------------------------ From: ScottClev@aol.com Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 07:49:05 -0500 To: arnold@iii.net Subject: Re: ELP Classical Connection I was listening to our local classical music station on the radio the other day, and heard a piece that was so familiar it was driving me crazy. I knew it was not the original way I had heard the piece but also knew, that I knew it well. Finally, before it was over I realized it was ELP's Romeo & Juliet, in Prokofiev's version. This situation has come up for me many times in ELP type material, where they have borrowed a few line form a classical piece, and integrated it into their songs. It seems I get to know the ELP version quite well from listening to it, and then I hear the original classical version. This got me to thinking, why don't we start a list of the "Classical Connection" within this mailing list and everyone submit the documented (On the albums) & UNDOCUMENTED classical pieces that are used in ELP material ( I can think of a few - parts of Knife Edge, I Believe in Father Christmas... others??) If this is OK with John, people could submit the info to me, I could do a bit of research, and put together a list to submit to John for publication in the digest. What does everyone think? ScottClev@aol.com [ Editor's Note: Scott, some lists like this have been/are being developed. I'll ask people who have worked on one or are working on one to contact you directly. Also, readers with these lists, please let me know so I can put them on the Web page. Also, another hint at people who want to compile this sort of thing for a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)... - John - ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 11:50:22 -0600 From: Glenn Astarita To: arnold@iii.net Subject: intro X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Hello, This is my first posting to ELP. I'm an old time fan and wondering if any one has a review of their latest effort ? I am reluctant to buy it, with the pretense that it may be a bit poppish. Thanks, Glenn [ Editor's note: Glenn: the back issues of ELP DIgest since late last year (when In the Hot Seat (aka ItHS) was released are littered with comments, discussion, praise and criticism. Please get the back issues off the Web page if you can. If you can't, please let me know and I'll send you some. - John - ] ------------------------------ Digest, mailing address, and administrative stuff to: arnold@iii.net ==\ \ => The same for now... 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