ELP Digest Tuesday, 30 April 1996 Volume 6 : Issue 10 The "Disturbing the Waters" Edition Today's Topics: ====> ELP Tour Dates so far.... ELP tix on sale (So. Cal.) Keith Emerson interview from Keyboard Magazine Re: Keith Emerson interview from Keyboard Magazine Alan Ginman's Article in ELPD V6#1 Knife Edge lyrics ELP and the now generation Greg Lake subscribe ELP digest (thoughts from a new reader) Keith's Influences UK Releases ELPunk Prelude ======= Well, it appears that arnold@iii.net no longer works. I'll try to get the mailing address on the web site updated soon. I have, however, managed to change the information at the end of this Digest. Until I decide on my new "personal" internet account site, please send any ELP Digest-related mail to "this address" (which can appear as arnold@dartmouth.banyan.com or arnold@kilsythe.banyan.com, depending on how the mail got out from our network here at work). The big news in this issue is a tentative list of the ELP/Tull tour. These aren't official and haven't been confirmed but it matches up well with the information a lot of you have been sending over the past few weeks. - John - ------------------------------------------------------------ Date: 30 April 1996 From: arnold@kilsythe.banyan.com (John Arnold) To: arnold@dartmouth.banyan.com Subject: ELP Tour Dates so far.... Thanks to all of you who have sent me message about the 1996 tour dates that you've heard about. I've compiled as complete a list as I can and am including it here instead of including all the individual messages I have received. This information is also on the ELP Web Site (http://bliss.berkeley.edu/elp) and will be updated there. If you spot any errors or omissions, please let me know. Jethro Tull / Emerson, Lake & Palmer 1996 US / Canada Tour Schedule (tentative dates) Date City/State/Country Venue Sun. Aug. 18 Darien, NY Darien Center Mon. Aug 19 Toronto, Canada Kingswood Music Theater Wed. Aug. 21 Scranton, PA Montage Mountain Thu. Aug. 22 Holmdel, NJ Garden State Art Center Fri. Aug. 23 Syracuse, NY NY State Fair Sun. Aug. 25 Hartford, CT Meadows Music Theater Mon. Aug 26 Mansfield, MA Great Woods Center for Performing Arts Tues. Aug. 27 Columbia, MD Merriweather Post Thu. Aug. 29 Hershey, PA HersheyPark Amphitheater Fri. Aug 30 Long Island, NY Jones Beach Sat. Aug 31 Camden, NJ E. Center Sun. Sept. 1 Pittsburgh, PA Starplex/Riverplex Mon. Sept. 2 Columbus, OH Polaris Amphitheater Thu. Sept. 5 Clarkson, MI Pine Knob Fri. Sept. 6 Cincinatti, OH Riverbend Sat. Sept. 7 Tinley Park, IL World Music Theater Sun., Sept. 8 Moline, IL The Mark Tues. Sept. 10 Minneapolis, MN Northrup Aud./Target Centre Wed. Sept. 11 Milwaukee, WI Marcus Amphitheater Fri. Sept. 13 St. Louis, MO Riverport Amphitheater Sat. Sept. 14 Bonnersprings, KS Sandstone Amphitheater Sun. Sept. 15 Little Rock, AK Riverfest Amphitheater Mon. Sept. 16 Englewood, CO Fiddlers Green Amphitheater Wed. Sept. 18 Phoenix, AZ Desert Sky Pavilion Thu. Sept. 19 San Diego, CA or Open Air Theater or Los Angeles, CA Greek Theater Fri. Sept. 20 San Diego, CA or Open Air Theater or Los Angeles, CA Universal Amphitheater Sat. Sept. 21 Irvine, CA Irvine Meadows Sun. Sept. 22 Las Vegas, NV Aladdin Theater Tues. Sept. 24 Concord, CA Concord Pavilion Wed. Sept. 25 Reno, NV Reno Amphitheater Fri. Sept. 27 Portland, OR LB Day Amphitheater Sat. Sept. 28 George, WA The Gorge Jethro Tull / Emerson, Lake & Palmer 1996 Japan Tour Schedule (tentative dates) Tues. Oct. 8 Fukuoka, Japan Sun Palace Wed. Oct. 9 Osaka, Japan Festival Hall Thu. Oct. 10 Nagoya, Japan Shi Kokaido Sat. Oct. 12 Tokyo, Japan Shibuya Kokaido Sun. Oct. 13 Tokyo, Japan Koseinenkin Hall Mon. Oct. 14 Sendai, Japan Izumi T-21 Tues. Oct. 15 Tokyo, Japan Sun Plaza Thu. Oct. 17 Tokyo, Japan Sun Plaza Fri. Oct. 18 Tokyo, Japan Sun Plaza Sat. Oct 19 Saitama Urawa-Shi, Japan Bunka Center Thanks to everyone who helped me compile this list! - John - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 13:58:55 -0700 From: dtratt@lmg.jpl.nasa.gov (David M. Tratt) To: arnold@dartmouth.banyan.com Subject: ELP tix on sale John; I found out quite by chance today (Sunday) that tickets for the So. Cal. Jethro/ELP dates went on sale this morning. Was quite surprised that the band's management didn't pass this on to us. I don't have much more info. except that there are shows at Universal Amph. (L.A., with a possible 2nd date), San Diego, and (I think) Glen Helen in San Bernardino. They happen in September. All for now, Dave ------------------------------ From: beaufort@demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 23 Apr 96 21:25:39 -0700 To: arnold@iii.net Subject: Keith Emerson interview from Keyboard Magazine Dear John Arnold, When I tried to access the Keith Emerson interview, I got the message: "Your client is not allowed to access..." Any idea why? My brothers work computer was able to do so. As this is a "leisure" activity, I would have thought it more appropriate for a company like demon that has lots of leisure users! Incidentally, is the ELP page aware of the new British magazine _Impressions_? Best wishes, -- Peter Wilton ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 14:00:36 -0400 From: arnold@kilsythe.banyan.com (John Arnold) To: beaufort@demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Keith Emerson interview from Keyboard Magazine >>> When I tried to access the Keith Emerson interview, I got the message: >>> >>> "Your client is not allowed to access..." >>> >>> Any idea why? My brothers work computer was able to do so. As this is a >>> "leisure" activity, I would have thought it more appropriate for a >>> company like demon that has lots of leisure users! This matter has recently come to my attention. The link to the Keyboard Magazine "Keith Emerson interview" from late 1995 is no longer valid. I will remove it from the web site until I find out if there's a suitable replacement for it. Since the interview is copyrighted by Keyboard Magazine, that interview and the error messages are coming from the http://www.keyboardmag.com site, not the ELP web site. I just listed a pointer to that interview and did NOT download the interview to the ELP web site I maintain because doing so is against the law. Sorry about that. And thanks for bringing it to my attention. It appears from looking over the Keyboard mag web site, that they're only letting the "current issue" information be accessible on the web, not back issue information. >>> Incidentally, is the ELP page aware of the new British magazine >>> _Impressions_? Yes, Liv Whetmore has sent me a copy and that magazine existence has been mentioned in the ELP Digest, an Internet e-mail ELP fanzine I run. It's a great magazine for ELP fans. ------------------------------ From: "Rainer Boettchers" To: arnold@iii.net Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:16:11 +0000 Subject: Alan Ginman's Article in ELPD V6#1 Again this was exactly the kind of exchange and information I am looking for, and the ELP Digest is one of the best (or the best) mailing lists in the Net. In this article Alan wrote: > Claims that L didn't play guitar at all, or bass very much, and E > didn't play on one of L's tracks make it surprising that anything > appeared at all. In the last weeks I have started to analyse the guitar tracks of ELP like Lucky Man, Take A Pebble, Still ... You Turn Me On, The Sage, compared the live and the studio version etc. etc. Greg has never been a 'great' guitar player but I always liked his style and usage of simple patterns to form warm and gentle music. But this is what happened: On the first album the guitar parts are not complex and Greg used socalled open tunings to play. Lucky Man needs four very basic chords to play it on the guitar. The Sage on PaaE: Greg has learned a lot. The Sage is not easy to play. And for a live show Greg does a great job. Welcome Back My Friends: Again Greg uses an open tuning for Still ... And Lucky Man comes in a standard tuning with basic and inverted chords. IMO intermediate level. On Trilogy (e.g. From The Beginning) Greg plays his best style. But then: The Sage from the studio version of PaaE is very simple. It takes 30 minutes to 'tab' chords and solo. And there are two major mistakes in it (should not happen in a studio version). I think that Greg gave up playing guitar and then started to play again (same with me). The main effect is that you remember a lot of things but it is hard to get back to the former level. Greg did the same what a lot of guitar players did: if you dont get around with the guitar play a bass guitar. The best bass players are people who are not perfect guitar players but _can_ play guitar. And they can play the things bass_only players cant (see bass lines on Tarkus: complex, perfect, lovely). Conclusion: Greg is not a good guitar player. Greg is a very good bass player. You can identify Greg's voice on every record. It's unique. Greg is able to write and perform these gentle and tender songs we fans need. We dont need Street Fighting Men in these rough and hard-to-live 90ies. We need comfort and emotions. Stay tuned, Rainer []----------------------------------------------------------[] | Rainer Boettchers SNI LoB MR MS1, Paderborn/Germany | | Phone: +49/5251/8-12843 (office) +49/5254/65414 (home) | | Fax: +49/5251/8-20098 (office) | | X.400: /de/dbp/scn/sni/pdb1/s5/boettchers/rainer | | EMail: boettchers.pad@sni.de | []----------------------------------------------------------[] ------------------------------ To: John E Arnold From: geoff@goostrey.u-net.com (G R Goostrey) Subject: Knife Edge lyrics Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 22:07:56 -0000 Knife Edge lyrics :- Not wanting to take this too far as it seems to have already done the rounds. All Japanese releases appear to include a write-up about the band (I guess - I haven't interpretation any yet), and lyrics in English, and sometimes some additional photos. I have copies of both the first album and In Concert pressed on Japanese vinyl. Unfortunately, I think they guess the lyrics too! The first album quotes the third line as being 'Theatre kings on silver wings fly', and the first line of the second verse as 'Tread the rule cross the abyss', whereas the In concert LP states 'Hear the king on silver wings fly', and 'Tread the road cross the alleys', respectively! And finally - does anyone have a copy of the 12" Fanfare single that was supposedly released in the UK? I have never seen this but it has been listed in Record collector. pps I have a great German gatefold (promo I think) of Fanfare..., double single. This opens out in two folds just like the Works I LP complete with similar pictures, write up and discography. Tracks are :- Side 1 Fanfare 2.55 Piano Concerto excerpt from 1st movement 1.31 Side 2 Pirates 4.34 side 3 C'est La Vie 4.17 side 4 L.A. Nights 5.42 It was released by Ariola (catelogue # 17 915 XT) and its NOT for sale. \e/ All the Best o _ _ _o I _o ,/<,_ (_)/|(_) aargh! ,\<, '\\, Geoff. _,\<,_ _\|(_) \--|/ ____o/_o_______o/_o_______________________(_)/_(_)__(_)'______ == 0<- splat!!! geoff@goostrey.u-net.com ------------------------------ From: Toni141@aol.com Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 11:55:40 -0500 To: arnold@iii.net Subject: ELP and the now generation To all of the ELP fans out there: I am a 15 year old girl from New York who has been an Emerson Lake and Palmer fan my entire life. I'm not joking. My dad practically raised me on them. One of the earliest memories i can recall is being four years old, sitting on my father's lap listening to Pictures at an Exhibition, reciting every verse word for word, and enjoying every moment of it. every car trip was another journey into the ELP universe. when Black Moon first came out, my family drove from virginia and back with only that CD in the car. Well, when i was eleven my dad took me to my first concert, Emerson Lake and Palmer at Jones beach. I remember telling all my friends that i was going to see them, and i also remember the looks i got when the gorup's name was mentioned. The raised eyebrows, the funny frowns, the looks of blankness and confusement. It was as if no one had ever herd of them before. From that moment on O knew that i was on my owm with this one. Still, i continued to listen, every day, every week. Whenever Karn evil 9 or Still you turn me on came on the radio i wished my friends would have been there so I could show them how great this "OLd people's group (so THEY called it) was really pretty awesome. I went to every concert my dad was willing to take me to. I wore my "Live at the Royal Albert Hall" shirt with pride, and talked about the group every possible moment i had. When the Return of the Manticore set came out I ran to the store to get my copy I made copies of Tarkus andPictures at an exhibition and handed them out to my friends, hoping that they would see what i see in ELP: Talent and commitment. Unfortunately, the idea of "good music" for today's young teens is a very distorted idea. Some of the music my riends listen to makes me want to take their CD's and throw them out the window. The talent of a keyboard player is nothing compard to Keith Emerson. I have yet to find a young Drummer with as much excitement as Carl Palmer. And not once have i seen a Guitar player who plays with as much heart or talent as Greg Lake. Groups today are too focused on the value of a dollar, and not focused enough onthe hard work and enjoyment of playing the music Why, may you ask, am I writing this. It's just to tell all of the die hard fans out there that even though we may be hard to find, there are some kids out there who see today's music the way some adults do. We love ELP as much as you do, and we are working hard to make sure the love for the group never dies. So, if yo have childen of your own, hand them a copyof an Emerson Lake and Palmer CD and see what they think. A fan always, ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 96 20:03:25 UT From: "Pamela Stone" To: "ELP digest" Subject: Greg Lake John We have an oppurtunity to catch the ear of Greg Lake fans in the Southeast. Chattanooga, Tennessee has a festival every year in June. In the past we have had a number of acts that were not "mainstream". The "Friends of the Festival" group who produces the 11 day festival is asking for suggestions. I have faxed and called them about Greg Lake. It is my understanding that Greg is about to embark on a tour and this would be a great show for him. The crowds range from 80,000 to 100,000 ever night. If anyone can help or is interested in seeing Greg perform here. Please write, call or fax (ok, ok, so they arent online) the "friends of the Festival" 1996 Riverben Entertainment suggestions. Entertainment suggestions po box 886 Chattanooga, Tennessee 37401 Telephone: 423-265-4112 Fax: 423-265-2719 I hope you can help! Harry T. Stone ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 96 12:45:34 -0500 From: John Krout - Unisys To: arnold@iii.net Subject: subscribe ELP digest [...] I have been frustrated by what I view as US radio's failure to air both the new and the old prog rock. When I first heard ELP I was in college, and I know they were aired on many college stations. I went out and found cutout copies of Nice LPs, I attended ELP shows, and I played a lot of similar material when I worked in college radio. Now neither college nor commercial stations will air similar music. Two questions come to mind: is this generalization true? And, if so, why is it true? I would like to read some discussion of these questions. Personally I have had to rely on friends spread across the USA to find and trade information about performers who continue to challenge listeners with fresh combinations of musical styles. I find publications like yours broaden my range of sources considerably. I was delighted to find out by reading issue 6.01 that Triumvirat CDs are available somewhere. Knowing that, I will be persistent and find them. And because the trade in information must be a two-way street, I draw your attention to another artist whose prog rock work deserves a listen. Perhaps you already know of him: Kit Watkins, formerly of Happy the Man. He records on a farm in Linden VA, runs his own CD publishing business (Linden Records), and even edits a newsletter unrelated to music, just to make ends meet. I especially recommend Kit Watkins _Early Solo Works_, and Kit & Coco _In Time_. Those who enjoy Emerson's jazz-influenced ELP work will enjoy these very much indeed. Linden/Watkins has a Web presense, http://www.nets.com/linden ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 22:52:18 -0500 To: mark@openhorizon.com From: "Roger M. Delisle" Subject: Keith's Influences <> Indeed, I believe it's not a stretch at all. Other note-for-note transcriptions from another of Keith Emerson's major influences, Sergei Prokofiev can be found in more than one ELP piece. Here's part of a note I sent to John Arnold, copied here in case it won't be published in the next Digest edition: "1. ELP's music is strongly influenced by composer Sergei Prokofiev, the strongest manifest being the excerpt from the Scythian's Suite's 2nd movement on "Works, Volume 1". But I recently discovered that the entire synth (and piano epilogue) on "I Believe In Father Christmas" is actually the theme of one of Prokofiev's Orchestral Suites! Ever since I found this out, I've been on the lookout for more of these references to Prokofiev in ELP's music as I learn more about the composer. Has anyone else found anything?" >From your observations, strangely parallel to mine, I'm beginning to think that Keith's music wasn't always as original as I was once thought in my musically less educated teens. I also think it's time for me to get into more of Aaron Copland's music: Your message nudges me to go out and buy some CD's !!! Looking forward to sharing some more musical discoveries with you. Roger rdelisle@worldlink.ca ------------------------------ To: arnold@iii.net From: geoff@goostrey.u-net.com (G R Goostrey) Subject: UK Releases Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 23:58:20 -0000 John, Feb issue of Record Collector reports (page 8) that Castle Communications are to re-release ELP's first five LPs in March, with more to follow. Geoff. geoff@goostrey.u-net.com ------------------------------ From: Bjorn-Are.Davidsen@s.prosjekt98.telenor.no Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 19:12:24 +0100 To: John E Arnold Subject: ELPunk Its been a rather quiet ELP period in Norway the last months. With the new year, however, things seem to build up! We're all waiting for Liv's magazine (which may be published before this message is?), and really wondering what's gonna happen this year. Alan Ginman had a really good build on my "ELP history" in V6#1! I belive you are right in seing that ELP's "demise" is coming from their demand for people's attention, being far too aggresive for the modern ear and mind. In the future I'm gonna claim that 70's prog didn't fail because of being too clever or pretentious, but because it was too aggressive for dancing or background music! On second thought, this was something I had in mind when starting out on my article as I said in the intro that "ELP was victims of the retrospective of the 80's" where, of course, yuppies and sequencing clashed against everything connected with punk and prog. The Norwegian ELP front had a good start to the New Year this week. On Monday the leading Norwegian newspaper had a rather large presentation of the Isle of Wight CD's and even mentioned ELP once! And after having "pulled Jesus from the hat" on some occasions in the Digest I turned the cards this week by bringing ELP into discussions on theology. I've just finished an article on Rock (10 pages A4) which will be split in two in a Christian student magazine. I had been given time to the very last deadline to finish it. The editor came in person to get it , and I phoned him later that day to check how he liked it. He was very satisfied and had had it mailed already to the printing house. Now, the punch behind this is really to give you the possibility to digest that this student magazine (on culture, theology & politics) and edited by a 21 year old (very promising) student, in the very year 1996 got an article on rock where ELP (perhaps neither the brightest nor the newest star on today's youth scene) had a very prominent place. And I stated explicitly that the article both was meant to give an understanding of lyrics in the context of various types of rock music, as well as reballance the unfair treatment of a certain type of rock group (guess which!). ELP had of course no exclusive place, as there were both a short rock history and lyrics also from artists like Beatles, Roger Waters, Michael Jackson, Sting, Larry Norman and John Trudell. So I mentioned Hendrix and Emerson as rock's two prominent instrumentalists (by pointing at their versions of Star Sprangled Banner and America as examples of clear political statements without lyrics). The Only Way and Daddy was used as examples of various ways of dealing with "the problem of suffering", and Karn Evil 9 (though not quoted in full...) as an important milestone in the criticism of technological and sociological trends, even if today unfairly in the shadow of "The Wall" and U2's "ZooEurope". So expect students tearing down walls to get into Norwegian record shops to find ELP albums the next weeks. I guess I should ask the group for percentages :-) Bjo/rn Are Bjorn-Are.Davidsen@s.prosjekt98.telenor.no ------------------------------ Digest, mailing address, and administrative stuff to: arnold@dartmouth.banyan.com | +=> The same for now... ELP-related info that you | want to put in the digest to: arnold@dartmouth.banyan.com Back issues are available from the World Wide Web ELP Home Page: URL: http://bliss.berkeley.edu/elp/ Note: The opinions, information, etc. contained in this digest are those of the original message sender listed in each message. 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