ELP Digest Thursday, 18 July 1996 Volume 6 : Issue 17 The "Fly Beyond Reason" Edition Today's Topics: Lake Interview (new!) New Greg Lake interview (URL to above) elp/tull tour (new date - Cleveland, 9/3/96) Aliens have landed (report on KE appearance in CA) ELP hat,badges etc. Recipe for an improved "in the Hot Seat" On ELP Re: Wither ELP fans? by Joe Paslawski Keith Emerson and New Synth ELP shirts, etc. Couple of Questions!! Digest items and Thank you John The Nice ELP Discography "Welcome Back Video" European Sources of Changing States Yesfest 1994 video-anybody get it? New Tull Tribute Album w/cover by Keith Emerson THRaKaTTaK soundbites are up! MASTERMIND & STILL live in Philly 7/20 Artist Shop expansion with Suzanne Ciani Prelude ======= I'll keep it short here since this is a long issue (new Greg Lake interview and report on a Keith Emerson appearance in the LA area). The tour is supposed to start a month from today! Let the countdown begin! - John - ------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:13:20 -0300 (ADT) To: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com From: Dave Gallant Subject: Lake Interview *********************** Greg Lake Tapes *********************** Dave: Hi Greg! Give me an update. What's happening with the ELP summer tour of North America with Jethro Tull? Greg: The tour begins the 18th of August, and rehearsals start the first of August. Dave: I'll be seeing you at the Toronto date. I believe your first date is in New York? Greg: It may be, I don't know. They don't tell me anything (laughs). Dave: You just show up and play the bass... Greg: I do. Actually I just follow the guy who's wearing the tour manager's hat (laughs). Dave: I understand that Ian Anderson has had some health problems recently. Do you know if that has been settled? Greg: I understand he's been straightened up, yeah. He's OK. Dave: And, you have plans to go onto Japan after the North American leg? Greg: We're doing a couple of weeks in Japan, and then I don't know. I think there's some discussions going on about some more dates, but I'm not sure. Dave: How will the shows work with Tull? Greg: I believe that we'll be opening the show, but we'll also be doing some collaborative stuff as well. It should be a nice show. Dave: It would be nice to hear Ian's flute on some classic ELP tracks. Greg: Wouldn't it though? Dave: Does Keith's recent health problems have anything to do with the fact that you will act as an opening band, and not headline yourself? Greg: Keith had an arm operation, and I think he feels it's more comfortable to play for an hour, than to play for two and a half hours to start with. And that was one of the reasons that we thought this was a good thing to do. Dave: Do you have any solo plans in mind at the moment? Greg: After the tour I'm going to be working on a solo album, which would take me through to early next year. Then I hope to go on the road. Dave: Any definite plans for the solo project? Greg: I do have some plans, but I hate to talk about them so early because it's such a long time from the release. Then if the plans change... Dave: I certainly hope that you have the opportunity to stop by Toronto, because we'll be very happy to see you here. Greg: Oh, I'm sure I will. Canada has always been good to me. It's a good place for music generally. Dave: Will you be taking your favorite carpet along on tour? Greg: I probably will! Dave: What kind of material can we expect to see on the upcoming tour? Greg: I think we try and play the music that people want to hear. We try to get through as much of it as we can in the time we've got. The final set list is never put together until the rehearsals. It would be really nice to play some stuff that we haven't played in the past. Dave: A subscriber of mine wanted me to ask what you thought was the best song that you had ever written. Greg: It's like when you say that someone's got six children, and you ask which is the favorite. I suppose from the point of view of sheer innocent song-writing, coming out good and being popular, 'Lucky Man' would be hard to beat. But in terms of the art of songwriting, I think a song called 'Closer To Believing' that Pete Sinfield and I wrote would stand in my mind as something that I would be proud of. Dave: In the song-writing vein, what is the process for writing some of the epics that you've written such as 'Pirates'? Do the words come first, or the music? Greg: It can be either way. Once the process is under way, then it is a reflective process. In the case of 'Pirates', Keith came up with this little bit of music. He thought, when he wrote it, of mercenary soldiers in South Africa. But it didn't sound like mercenary soldiers in South Africa. It sounded like the sea. In the prelude to 'Pirates', the music sounds like the sea. It didn't sound like the jungle. Then we thought 'Who were the mercenaries of the sea? The Pirates.' We did a lot of research. Pete Sinfield and myself ordered all the books that had ever been written on pirates, and all the films on pirates and we locked ourselves away for three weeks. We watched them all, and read all the books. We absorbed all this stuff. And then we got started, and the whole piece got written that way. It's not very popular, but it's a bloody shame. I've always wondered why it was never really that popular. Dave: Tell me about the project you did with Geoff Downes called 'Ride The Tiger'. Greg: It was really Geoff and I deciding to write some songs together. In a way, we got lost in the technology. It was at a time when the technology was going through some dramatic changes. We wrote some songs, and actually spent months programming and setting up a midi system. In the end, what happened was Geoff went off to do other things, and I eventually did the Black Moon ELP reunion. Dave: 'Affairs of the Heart' came from those sessions? Greg: From that period, yeah. Dave: And the Asia album 'AQUA' contained the song 'Love Under Fire'... Greg: That's right. That was a nice song. Dave: When I spoke with Geoff recently, he mentioned that an early version of the song 'Street Wars' came up during those sessions. I assume that you changed it radically before it appeared on 'In The Hot Seat'? Greg: I used the lyric, and Keith wrote a whole new programming thing for it. I think Geoff's versions was better. It had more sincerity. I thought the lyric was good, and that's why I wanted to use it. If you played the two versions, you wouldn't recognize them. Looking back on it, I prefer the version that Geoff and I did. It was highly empassioned. Dave: How much material did the two of you actually write together? Greg: I don't know ... a half a dozen songs? A lot of music, though. Dave: I assume that the material will likely remain in the vaults? Greg: Sometimes it resurfaces many years later. But I tend to feel that music is a spontaneous thing. By the time I've done something, and it's six months old, it's not like wine. Good records will endure, but when you write something - if it doesn't find it's legs fairly quickly, it tends not to do so, and is often best forgotten. Dave: What were the circumstances surrounding your brief time with Asia in 1993? Greg: They needed someone on very short notice to replace John (Wetton). And Carl knew basically that I could do it. It was an easy thing for him to call me up to do it. To that extent it was fine. I went into the band, but they guy I really got on with was Geoff. But the band was a mess really, at that time. We had a meeting about me joining the band, but it just didn't work out. Dave: Getting back to ELP, had there been any talk of a new album resulting from this reunion? Greg: You never really know. I don't think any of us were happy with 'In The Hot Seat'. It was made in a difficult time, under difficult circumstances, and I don't think any of us really wanted to make it. And then Keith had his arm problems, and it didn't really work out. I think if the tour goes well, if everyone's happy on the tour, you never know. So I would always leave the possibility for that open. Dave: I appreciate your time, Greg. Thank you very much. Greg: Take care! *********************** Greg Lake Tapes *********************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:32:34 -0400 To: John Arnold From: karen1@chelsea.ios.com (KarenStober) Subject: New Greg Lake interview Flash! There is a brand new Greg Lake Interview Right here on the 'Net From July 12, 1996 /www.clo.com/~dave/greg.txt Greg talks about the tour - yes, there will be "collaborative efforts" between Tull and ELP...and nobody was happy with "Hot Seat" There may be a new album, and also possible are more dates, somewhere after Japan...It's all in this interview done today! Karen E. Stober [ Editor's Note: And it just so happened that Dave Gallant had already sent me a copy and it appears above. I'm leaving this here with the URL just in case you want to bookmark it. - John - ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 96 22:57:04 UT From: "Julius & Jennifer Saroka" To: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com Subject: elp/tull tour cleveland ohio - nautica stage (outdoors, on the banks of the Cuyahoga River) 03 sept. 1996 ------------------------------ From: FFScherzo@aol.com Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 02:28:18 -0400 To: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com Subject: Aliens have landed Hi John! One of the benefits of living on the West Coast is getting to see Keith Emerson's new band in action. They're calling themselves "Aliens of Exceptional Abilities" (did I get that right?) and have done a couple of public appearances around LA. The first was at the Guitar Center in Hollywood on July 2, for a demo of Alesis' new keyboard (I wrote the model number down somewhere but who knows where I put it), which has got an amazing collection of sampled sounds on it, including the pileup of Emerson's classic goodies. The second performance was this past Sunday nite at a funky little club down in Venice (one more block west and you land in the Pacific), for a rambunctious crowd of locals. The shows were a mix of Keith by himself, and with the raw and rowdy new 5-man band. My notes on the repertoir from the Sunday nite show: Opener: "Touch and Go" -- with the band. Introduced Rob's vocals. The guy's got some great pipes. Marvin's got some different takes on the bass lines. Good stuff. "Hoedown" -- complete with vacuum cleaner. They got a great sample of the original Moog sound on the Alesis synth. New soundtrack theme -- I have no idea if this thing even has a name yet. Nobody does a nasssssssty ostinato bass like Emo. "Tarkus" -- just Keith and the keys, nuthin' else. A taste of what the thing probably started out as -- raw keyboard. Bloody amazing. "Wait til the Midnight Hour" -- in which the band comes back and lays down some shake-the-rafters rock-n-roll! "NutRocker" -- YES!!! and it's fabulous. Stewart put in a ripsnortin' guitar lead -- great addition. The tempo was comfortably less rushed than the one on PAAE. "Benny The Bouncer" -- Absolute mayhem! And a special guest appearance on vocals... but I'll never tell... (no, it wasn't Greg!) "Fanfare for the Common Man/Some Kind of Wonderful" -- now how's THAT for a weird mix? Well, what the heck, they both use the shuffle rhythm. Only thing to be wished for is the 3rd part to the vocals! (And maybe a towel for Ritchie the drummer...) "Gimme Some Lovin'" -- They got a great Hammond sample on that Alesis board, and Keith let it rip here. If these guys rocked any harder they'd hurt people. Encore: "Honky Tonk Train Blues" -- That hardworkin' Alesis keyboard decided to cut out in the middle of the song, (prompting Will's return to the stage and go into wizard mode) so Iain (guest-guitarist-for-the-moment) jumped in with an impromptu lead that had some serious smoke on it. Will convinced the keyboard to return to its senses so Keith could hammer out the rest of the song. Great show. Didn't Keith belong to another band? Hmmm, aw, you know, it sounds like the name of a lawyers' firm... (Har!) Lindamac ------------------------------ From: bgg@latrobe.vic.gov.au Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:16:58 +1000 To: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com Subject: ELP hat,badges etc. Hi, I was wondering if any kind ELP fan who attends one of the ELP concerts that are coming up would be willing to purchase a ELP cap,badges or shirts, etc for me. It appears that ELP will never tour Australia so I have no hope of obtaining any memorabilia in Australia. It looks like I will never get to see ELP live in concert so the next best thing would be to see any tribute bands. I will be in the UK from Oct 3 to about Nov 4 so does any one know if any tribute bands would be playing anywhere? Thanks in advance Bryan.. Only ELP fan in my part of OZ. ------------------------------ From: cmbuford@pipeline.com Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 00:28:03 GMT To: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com Subject: Recipe for an improved "in the Hot Seat" I've been enjoying checking your digest from time to time as a non-player fan, and I made an interesting car tape that I thought I would pass along. Like the other 22 people who bought "In the Hot Seat," I was initially shocked that there could be an album worse than "Love Beach" (much of which has grown on me over the years). I first heard the disc before knowing about Keith's personal problems, etc., but even without knowing the details it was obvious that, once again, things had gone terribly wrong. History repeats itself with this band: Rival agendas (Greg wanting to do the Moody Blues adult-contemporary thing), poor choice of producer (at least Mancina was hip to what the band was all about on "Black Moon"), a general sense of a rush job, like all three decided once again they could no longer stand each other and, of course, the misguided attempt to be "current" (No, I'm not one of those who think they should just keep remaking "Tarkus," but why, oh why, can't they -- especially Keith -- seem to age gracefully, along the lines of Clapton, Townshend or even Joe Jackson, who always seem to put out what is "right" for that point in their life). But when I discovered the Griffin reissue of "Changing States" (disappointing that so much of it turned out to be early versions of "Black Moon" stuff but worth it for the orchestral "Bolero" and "Summertime" alone), I decided to give some of the "Hot Seat" songs another chance, basically to fill out a cassette for the car. After a bit, it occurred to me: Why not mix them a bit? After all, most of us were hoping the follow-up to "Black Moon" would be some form of song cycle, a sort of "Tarkus" for the '90s, and the better tunes on "Hot Seat" did have a common, if banal, thread ("uban chaos"). So after experimenting an hour or two, I came up with something that to me brings back some of the dimension that was missing. It doesn't change what can't be fixed, but approximates some of the urgency and the balls-out playing that should have been there to begin with. Try playing "producer" if you want... You need "Changing States" and the box set. It's a bit choppy in places, but if you have a cassette deck with mixing/editing features you might be surprised how much more impact the songs have. Start with: 1. The beginning instrumental of the opening track, "Hand of Truth," but pause just before it segues into the vocal section. 2. Cut to: "Change" (a bit jarring -- idealy there would be more of a transition -- but I thought it made a better opener). 3. Piano interlude: The Gulda Prelude from the fourth disc of box set. Use only to the point where it pauses, then segue to ... 4. "One by One" (the pianos intro blends nicely). At the 3 minute, 8 second mark (in the pipe organ bit), splice to ... 5. "The Church" from "Changing States" .. . the organs blend if you start about 16 seconds into the track... There are several places to cut back. I waited until about the 4:48 mark to go back and finish "One By One" at the point I cut away. 6. "Thin Line" 7. "Street War (decide for yourself if this part's worth messing with: I wanted an instrumental that the boys denied me, so I dropped in some of the feedback and drums from "Rondo" on the box set at the 3:18 mark, but it doesn't match up all that well). 8. "Interlude" from "Changing States." quietly segues into ... 9. "Another Frontier" from "States" until the 36-second mark. Just as it starts to seque, splice to ... 10. The vocal section of "Hand of Truth" (you can hear the segue point) for a grander finale that lyrically seems to end it on a note of optimism, making it sort of a "concept" suite. See you on the road this summer. If they play my version of "Hot Seat Suite," I want to go backstage ...g59y7m ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 09:33:00 +0100 To: Mike Goode Cc: John E Arnold From: Peter Wilton In message , Mike Goode writes > >ELP made some fantastic music in the past. It is extremely unlikely that >they ever will again >Sad but probably true. A discussion on why this is so would be good. Surely, a discussion of *whether* this is so would be better. What you say is entirely consistent with rock "critical" conventions. Such conventions are in my view highly suspect. >Some >time back, somebody wrote in to critisise Carl's playing in recent years. I >agree. His drumming on everything after Works has been awful. Not only has >the drum sound been swamped in reverb but his playing has been totally >devoid of imagination and finesse. Why? >Similar critisism could be leveled at Greg and Keith. >It is laughable to think that ELP's music was once termed 'progressive'. >Today, nothing could be further from the truth. Well, I've never been a Greg Lake fan, and I don't understand what it is people see in his material, but I will accept that there is something there for those who like that sort of thing! When I was at school, some people who were fans of The Nice complained that it had been a "tight" band, i.e. more rhythmically coordinated, and thought that ELP suffered from having two soloists competing with each other. There is some truth in this, and Carl's more recent playing might be said to have improved coordination of musical effort! However, when you say that similar criticism can be levelled at Keith, I would disagree wholeheartedly. I discovered his music from the first ELP album. I liked that fact that "classical" sounds were being given a bit of street cred., and that they were therefore being directed at a new audience. There was a tremendous variety of mood and timbre, from chopinesque piano to heavy metal Bartok. I was therefore disappointed with Tarkus, because it had less variety - I grew to understand it later. If by "progressive" is meant groundbreakingly original, Emerson's music never was this. It did new things, presented to new audiences, with kinds of musical ideas which were otherwise imprisoned in other, smaller arenas, and might never have come to be appreciated by a wider public. Anyway, "progressive" is a label that pertains to an audience grouping rather than a musical style. (Clapton was called "progressive", but he was more a "traditional" or "folk" musician, keeping the music of the Mississipi Delta alive for a new audience, like Steeleye Span for English folk!) Pictures was my "album from hell". The work is usually heard in Ravel's colourful orchestration, and a whole album with two timbres of Hammond and a synthetiser set up to sound like a kazoo was incredibly dull by comparison. When you have heard Mussorgsky's majestic tune in The Great Gate of Kiev, Greg's lyric predominating over the top, obscuring a background performance of the real melody on a Hammond is not a very satisfactory realisation. With Trilogy, some of the variety of style had returned. Brain Salad Surgery is often cited as a high spot, particularly because of Karn Evil 9, but I found that the second part of first impression endlessly repeated conventional-sounding rock material, and for me the really exciting moment was the Ginastera arrangement. The Piano Concerto on Works was for me the highest spot since the first album. Furthermore, although Emerson always thought up good ideas, he tended to string them together in an unsatisfactorily haphazard fashion, e.g. Five Bridges, first movement. By contrast, the Piano Concerto, particularly the last movement, showed tremendous development in this area. Memoirs, on the universally decried Love Beach, was in part a return to the variety of style found on the first album, particularly the piano movement, drawing on an idea from Chopin. If the concept as a whole didn't quite work, I feel that this was because Lake sung a lyric concept set in the social milieu of Britain of the Great Way in his usual mid-Atlantic fashion, so that the programme was not quite believable. For that, it would have had to be delivered in a more "Noel Coward" sort of way. The music was often more subtle. The contrast in the first movement between the "British Empire" style and the "United States of America". The "Chopin" movement was a suitable style for the emotions being expressed, and the last movement, quoting "Rule Britannia" (not the piece the WWW list suggests!), makes a good ironic comment on the story as a whole. So the "concept" works quite well. The third movement doesn't mirror the mood of the programme, which is emotionally charged, while the music is good old angular, dissonant, geometrical Emerson. But this movement also marks a shift in harmonic style to even denser dissonances which are found in his music of the eighties. Looking back to Tarkus, the songs are good, and the opening/closing instrumental is good, but are the two instrumental interludes really held to be "better" material than Memoirs? I feel that the "critical convention" which wrote off this album is seriously flawed, possibly because no one got any further than the Lake songs on the other side. The "new style" Emerson harmony was developed in ELPowell. Everyone quotes "The Score" and "Touch and Go", but to me the first is bombastic, the second not particularly adventurous, whereas Emerson's harmonic language and formal arrangement have reached new heights in "The Miracle", which is uncompromising, and for me one of his masterpieces! I had started with him because of the first album's Bartok feel. With his 1989 film score for Inferno, he again produced music in that genre, but with far less compromise in the direction of rock fusion than ever before. Some of this material, I believe, had originally been destined for a second piano concerto. 1995: Changing States Album. The opening chords of Black Moon's Changing States were never developed in the version that appeared there. But as "Another Frontier", the piece acquired a new section based on these chords, so that the opening chords "prefigured" what was to happen later in the piece. (Or was it written that way, and removed for Black Moon?) In any case, it's a formal device that Emerson could have learned from Sibelius when he did Karelia! Better arrangement of material, continuation of harmonic development: no lack of new musical vision 'ere mate! -- Peter Wilton ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 09:38:37 +0100 To: Alan Ginman Cc: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com From: Peter Wilton Subject: Re: Wither ELP fans? by Joe Paslawski In message , Alan Ginman writes >Re: Wither ELP fans? by Joe Paslawski > Wither?!!! I hope you don't really mean that! Is it because ELP isn't "cultivating" its fans sufficiently? Perhaps if they "watered" down their music... Oh dear, before I come out with any of those, I better go back "wence" I came. Oops - sorry, there I go again... :-) -- Peter Wilton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:36:34 -0300 (EST) To: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com From: agorni@dialdata.com.br (Antonio Augusto Gorni) Subject: Keith Emerson and New Synth Hi! My permanent ELP-Internet Search find the following message: =========================== Article-ID: 07_1996&292090 Score: 93 Subject: Keith Emerson helps premiere Alesis QS8 From: davebryce9@aol.com (DaveBryce9) Date: Thu Jul 4 09:35:14 1996 Message-ID: <4rgrs2$443@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth On 7/2/96 Keith Emerson (of Emerson, Lake and Palmer) joined Alesis to perform at the world premiere of the QS8 88-key synthesizer/controller at Guitar Center in Hollywood, CA. Mr. Emerson became involved in the production of the machine when he allowed Alesis to sample his modular Moog synthesizer and his Hammond C3 to use as part of the factory ROM set. He also assisted in the programming of vintage ELP patches that will be part of the factory programs. Mr. Emerson will be using a QS8 on his upcoming tour opening for Jethro Tull. Mr. Emerson is not an Alesis endorsee...Alesis has no endorsees... Keith and a three piece band performed for about an hour, doing "Fanfare for the Common Man", "Touch and Go" and "Hoedown". He also did a few solo piano selections, including a solo piano rendition of "Tarkus". A darn good time was had by all... David Bryce Alesis Keyboards ======================================= All the best, Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 02:36:22 -0500 (EST) To: arnold@iii.net From: Karoly Huszar Subject: ELP Sorry to bug you with this, but I'd like to find out where I can order some ELP merchandise (T-shirts, hats, etc.) Your help would be much appreciated. Thanks Karl [ Editor's Note: I found the web site of "Brockum" (the people who make a lot of the shirts, etc.) that are sold on tours but no sign of any ELP there. Anyone have any other ideas? - John - ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 19:07:25 -0500 (EST) To: arnold@iii.net From: "Renaud T. Lefebvre" Subject: Couple of Questions!! Greetings! First off, your WWW site is a step above the rest. My friend (Antoine Fafard) has a couple of questions for your fine digest. He has been an ELP fan for about 7 years, he also knows all about ELP and the individual careers of the group members. -Was Emerson's soundtrack for the Marvel Iron Man cartoon predominant, and [...are any videos of the show available...]? -On the Welcome Back video, we get to see a clip of a spectacular show in which Keith Emerson is playing on a rotating piano. Is it possible to get a video of this show on tape? Was it ever released?? -In an Interview that Keith Emerson gave for a Montreal paper, February 93. Keith speaks of a second piano concerto in which he was involved at the time. Did anybody hear of this, what was he talking about, is this second piano concerto offered on any media?? -Could it be possible to get any kind of material from the group "The Best". If anybody has answers to the above questions, post them on the site to benefit us all. Thank you all for your time. [ Editor's Note: I don't think Iron Man or the "rotating piano" show ever made it on officially released video. I've heard it said that "The Best" concert was released on Japanese laserdisc but I've never seen it myself. - John - ] o | __ | /__\ | X~~| |-\|//-. /|`.|'.' \ |,|.\~~ /|| |:|| ';|| %-^=:-)8:]o-)*:o):-0:-)8B-)::-)8-)@:I:-}:-)X0-)(:)-)-:-)}(:-( |||| | || Snail Mail: Renaud Thierry Lefebvre, 155 Shannon Park, \ \| |`. 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I'm now using Netscape so I'm accessing those great Web pages that have been set up for ELP. I would also like to say that I'm very impressed by the knowledge that all of you have and also by the civilized debate that goes on. Having checked out the alt.progressive group a year ago I was relieved to see positive and civilized discussion here in the ELP digest as opposed to a lot of negative ELP comment there. Accolades to John: I can't believe how much time and effort and dedication has gone into this digest. Please don't apologize for being late or whatever. We appreciate that you do this for us. The extent of your dedication and committment absolutely astounds me. A big THANK YOU from all of us. Female Fan: While perusing the 94 digests I saw a posting from another female fan who also wondered about our scarcity. I have noticed that many ELP fans are male here and at concerts. This was especially evident during the 92-93 tours at concerts in my area (Toronto, Can.) Any ideas why? Greg Lake: In Feb. Jeralyn Whitley wrote a really moving tribute to Greg. I subsequently wrote to her to express my appreciation of her comments.. I love all three but I have to say that I especially love Greg's voice and lyrics from Pictures through to Father Christmas, to Black Moon and Daddy. BTW I just recently received the Greg Lake Concert for Sara video - it was WTEN's last copy). I really enjoyed it. I'm proud of Greg for what he has done to raise awareness regarding these horrible crimes. Being a parent myself of a daughter the song struck a chord. Also we in the Toronto area have just come through the Bernardo trial. His crimes against young girls will probably go down as the worst in Can. history. Anyways I must also say that I don't agree with some of the negative press that Greg has received. What I find disturbing is the does E need L or P discussion or vice versa. All 3 are great individual musicians but together they produce a magic that no other group can produce except perhaps the Beatles. I just wish that they could get past their personal difficulties and reach up to that magical dimension and create fantasy again. Of course the record companies don't help. The same is true of the music media. Isn't it great that we have the Net to be our voices and to give ourselves a forum in which to be heard. This is the ultimate expression of free speech. Squabbling Over the Producer: I agree that ITHS was not their best album althoug it certainly wasn't their worst either. Why did they use Keith Olsen? Why not Greg? Look at what he produced in the 70's. Do the others think that he is a control freak? If not Greg, why not Mark Mancina? Black Moon showed a lot of the promise of the 70's. I personally really liked it. Although it was not a concept album it certainly had a theme, another indication of their maturation as people as well as musicians. ELP Fan Club: When latRAH came out I tore off the merchandise form from the liner and purchased a few things as well as a subscription to a fan club newsletter. I received 4 and renewed it once. The material came from the Fan Assylum. Was it affiliated with Victory and did it fold when Victory did? Anyone know what happened? Up until a few months ago it was my only source of news of ELP. Greg Lake In Concert CD: Not having noticed any reviews of this CD, I'm bringing forth my comments. I LOVE it. Does anyone know what Gary Moore is doing now? He complements Greg's vocals well. His guitar work is fantastic. BTW I really liked Parisienne Walkways.Tommy Eyre also wrote some great stuff.Too bad that they didn't stay together longer. Isle of Wight Festival: In canada we got the Lerner version(1 1/2 h ) on Mar. 20, 96. Was this the same one broadcast everywhere else? The ELP part was short although the infamous cannons were shown. A rather depressing event despite the great acts. Bye: Sorry for the long posting but it is great to read all that all of you have written so I just had to contribute. Keep up the great discussion. What a group. Cardinal Carter Catholic High School' 210 Bloomington Rd. W. Aurora, Ont.L4G 3G8 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 03:53:50 +0000 From: Robert Shocknesse To: arnold@iii.net Subject: The Nice I have the Keith Emerson With The Nice CD and it has live versions of The Five Bridges, America, Kerelia Suite, Hang On TO A Dream. All great songs. I used to have the album. Inside were pictures of Keith playing. The pictures were of him with a Ribbon Controller. I don't believe he had that when he played with The Nice. He got the Moog during recording ELP's first album. Also, the beginning of Hoedown I've always thought was played on the Ribbon Controller. When I saw them live in San Francisco in 1974, Keith blew his fingernail off during the solo in Hoedown which was the first song. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 01:13:12 -0300 To: arnold@iii.net From: Rogerio Ivan Mimessi Subject: ELP Discography I have just received ELP Digest V6 #8 and noticed several fans looking for the ELP discography. The list below is what I got after same research. I have recently ordered "The Return of Manticore", composed of 4 CD's and a booklet in a fancy box but no lyrics at all (from Rhino Records...). This is a shame... I think we deserve more respect... Anyway, the list is appended for appreciation and can be upgraded if somebody has more info. Enjoy, ELP fans and friends... 1. THE BEST OF EMERSON, LAKE & PALMER (1994) - Victory - CD, cassette - 77 min Songlist: From The Beginning Jerusalem Still...You Turn Me On Fanfare For The Common Man (single version) Knife Edge Tarkus Karn Evil 9 1st Impression Part 2 C'est La Vie Hoedown Trilogy Honky Tonk Train Blues Black Moon (single version) I Believe In Father Christmas (original single version) 2. CLASSIC ROCK FEATURING "LUCKY MAN" (1994) - CD Songlist: Promenade The Hut Of Baba Yaga The Curse Of Baba Yaga The Hut Of Baba Yaga The Great Gates Of Kiev Fanfare For The Common Man Hoedown Jerusalem Toccata Lucky Man 3. IN THE HOT SEAT (1994) - Victory - CD, cassette - Producer: Keith Olsen Songlist: We Have The Power Daddy One By One Heart On Ice Thin Line Man With The Long Black Coat Change Reason To Stay Gone Too Soon Street War Pictures At An Exhibition (Bonus Track Dolby Surround) 4. I BELIEVE IN FATHER CHRISTMAS-SINGLE (1993) - Victory - CD Songlist: I Believe In Father Christmas Jerusalem When The Apple Blossoms Bloom 5. LIVE AT THE ROYAL ALBERT HALL (1993) - Victory - CD, cassette - 70:26 min Songlist: Karn Evil No. 9 (First Impression, Part 2) Tarkus Medley: Eruption Stones Of Years Iconoclast Knife Edge Paper Blood Romeo & Juliet Creole Dance Still...You Turn Me On Lucky Man Black Moon Pirates Finale Medley: Fanfare For The Common Man America Rondo 6. WORKS LIVE (1993) - Victory - CD Songlist: Fanfare For The Common Man Abaddon's Bolero Tank 7. THE ATLANTIC YEARS (1992) - Atlantic - CD Songlist: Knife-Edge Take A Pebble Lucky Man Tank Tarkus: Eruption Stone Of Years Iconoclast Mass Manticore Battlefield Aquatarkus Pictures At An Exhibition (excerpts) Promenade The Hut Of Baba Yaga The Curse Of Baba Yaga The Hut Of Baba Yaga Great Gates Of Kiev The End The Endless Enigma: Part 1 Fugue The Endless Enigma: Part 2 From The Beginning Karn Evil 9: First Impression Second Impression Third Impression Jerusalem Still...You Turn Me On Toccata Fanfare For The Common Man Pirates I Believe In Father Christmas Honky Tonk Train Blues Canario 8. BLACK MOON (1992) - Victory - CD, cassette - Producer: Mark Mancina Songlist: Black Moon Paper Blood Affairs Of The Heart Romeo And Juliet Farewell To Arms Changing States Burning Bridges Close To Home Better Days Footprints In The Snow 9. PICTURES AT AN EXHIBITION-VIDEO (1984) - Laserdisc - 42 min 10. IN CONCERT (1979) - Atlantic - CD, cassette Songlist: Introductory Fanfare Peter Gunn Tiger In A Spotlight C'est La Vie The Enemy God Knife Edge Piano Concerto Number 1 Pictures At An Exhibition 11. WORKS, VOL 2 (1978) - Victory - CD, cassette - 43:13 min Songlist: Close But Not Touching Show Me The Way To Go Home Bullfrog When The Apple Blossoms Bloom In The Windmills Of Your Mind I'll Be Your Valentine Tiger In A Spotlight Honky Tonk Train Blues I Believe In Father Christmas So Far To Fall Watching Over You Brain Salad Surgery Barrelhouse Shake-Down Maple Leaf Rag 12. WORKS, VOL 1 (1977) - Victory - CD, cassette Songlist: L. A. Nights Two Part Invention In D Minor Pirates Nobody Loves You Like I Do Food For Your Soul Hallowed Be Thy Name Closer To Believing Tank Fanfare For The Common Man The Enemy God Dances With The Black Spirits New Orleans Piano Concerto No. 1 Lend Your Love To Me Tonight C'est La Vie 13. WELCOME BACK, MY FRIENDS, TO THE SHOW THAT NEVER ENDS (1974) - Victory - CD, cassette - Producer: Greg Lake Songlist: Hoedown (taken from Rodeo) Jerusalem Toccata Tarkus Eruption Stones Of Years Iconoclast Mass Tarkus Manticore Battlefield Epitaph Aquatarkus Take A Pebble Still...You Turn Me On 14. BRAIN SALAD SURGERY (1973) - Victory CD, cassette - Prod: Lake - 43:14 min Songlist: Jerusalem Toccata Still...You Turn Me On Benny The Bouncer Karn Evil 9 (Welcome Back My Friends) 1st Impression 2nd Impression 3rd Impression 15. TRILOGY (1972) - Victory - CD, cassette - Producer: Greg Lake - 43:06 min Songlist: The Endless Enigma: Part One Fugue The Endless Enigma: Part Two From The Beginning The Sheriff Hoedown Trilogy Living Sin Abaddon's Bolero 16. TRILOGY (GOLD DISC) (1972) - Mobile Fidelity - CD - Producer: Greg Lake Songlist: The Endless Enigma: Part One Fugue The Endless Enigma: Part Two From The Beginning The Sheriff Hoedown Trilogy Living Sin Abaddon's Bolero 17. EMERSON, LAKE & PALMER (1ST LP) (1971) - Victory - CD, cassette - 41:12 min Songlist: The Barbarian Take A Pebble Knife Edge The Three Fates: Clotho Lachesis Atropos Tank Lucky Man 18. PICTURES AT AN EXHIBITION (1971) - Victory CD,cassette -Prod:Lake -38:10 m Songlist: Promenade The Gnome The Sage The Old Castle Blues Variation The Hut Of Baba Yaga The Curse Of Baba Yaga The Great Gates Of Kiev Nut Rocker 19. TARKUS (1971) - Victory - CD, cassette - Producer: Greg Lake - 38:56 min Songlist: Tarkus: Eruption Stones Of Years Iconoclast Mass Manticore Battlefield Aquatarkus Jeremy Bender Bitches Crystal The Only Way (Hymn) Infinite Space (Conclusion) A Time And A Place Are You Ready Eddy? 20. TARKUS (GOLD DISC) (1971) - Mobile Fidelity - CD - Producer: Greg Lake - 38:56 min Songlist: Tarkus: Eruption Stones Of Years Iconoclast Mass Manticore Battlefield Aquatarkus Jeremy Bender Bitches Crystal The Only Way (Hymn) Infinite Space (Conclusion) A Time And A Place Are You Ready Eddy? 21. EMERSON, LAKE & PALMER/BRAIN SALAD SURGERY - Atlantic - cassette Songlist: The Barbarian Take A Pebble Knife Edge Three Fates: Clotho, Lachesis, Atropos Tank Lucky Man Jerusalem Toccata Still...You Turn Me On Benny The Bouncer Karn Evil 9: 1st Impression 2nd Impression 3rd Impression 22. LOVE BEACH - Victory - CD Songlist: All I Want Is You Canario Suite For An Officer And A Gentleman 23. THE RETURN OF THE MANTICORE - Victory - CD Songlist: Touch And Go (previously unrelease) Hang On To A Dream (previously unrelease) 21st Century Schizoid Man (previously unrelease) Fire (previously unrelease) Pictures At An Exhibition (previously unrelease) Promenade (previously unrelease) The Gnome (previously unrelease) Promenade (previously unrelease) The Sage (previously unrelease) The Hut Of Baba Yaga (previously unreleased) The Great Gates Of Kiev (previously unreleased) I Believe In Father Christmas (previously unrelease) Medley: Introductory Fanfare Peter Gunn Tiger In A Spotlight Toccata Trilogy Tank Lucky Man Tarkus Medley: Eruption Stones Of Years Iconoclast Mass Manticore Battlefield Aquatarkus From The Beginning Take A Pebble Medley: Take A Pebble Lucky Man Piano Improvisations Take A Pebble (Conclusion) Knife Edge Paper Blood Hoedown Rondo (previously unrelease) The Barbarian Still...You Turn Me On The Endless Enigma: The Endless Enigma Part 1 Fugue The Endless Enigma Part 2 C'est La Vie The Enemy God Dances With The Black Spirits Bo Diddley (previously unrelease) Bitches Crystal A Time And Place Living Sin Karn Evil 9: 1st Impression 2nd Impression 3rd Impression Honky Tonk Train Blues Jerusalem Fanfare For The Common Man Black Moon Watching Over You Piano Concerto No. 1 Third Movement: Toccata Con Fuoco For You Prelude And Fugue (previously unrelease) Memoirs Of An Officer And A Gentleman: Prologue The Education Of A Gentleman Love At First Sight Letters From The Front Honourable Company (A March) Pirates Affairs Of The Heart and 24. EMERSON, LAKE & POWELL (1985) - Polydor - CD,cassette-Prod:Lake - 43:12 m Songlist: The Score Learning To Fly The Miracle Touch And Go Love Blind Step Aside Lay Down Your Guns The Planets: Mars, The Bringer Of War ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 22:14:00 +0000 From: Neil Corkindale To: arnold@dartmouth.banyan.com Subject: "Welcome Back Video" I got a copy of the "Welcome Back" video sent over from England to here in Australia. The sound is excellent - subject to the source of the material. The Royal Albert Hall stuff is great! Actually I played the video this evening - I really enjoy it! A funny thing about video tapes though. I tried to buy a Hi-Fi stereo version of Zep's "Song Remains the Same" here in Sydney. It is only available in mono in the shops. As I originally bought it in stereo in the UK years ago when it was first released, I was very puzzled. I even rang Warner Bros. who confirmed that it was only available in mono. So naturally I rang my mother up in England who popped into a record shop in Manchester and got me a Hi-Fi copy... I suggest anyone with similar problems should order their videos from the UK, assuming that their video plays back PAL... P.S. I read that ELP's first 5 recordings are being released on Castle Communications in the UK, in March (it was the January edition of the Record Collector magazine!) It also said more to follow later in the year. Let's have some more live stuff - preferably up to the BSS tour - and a video. Maybe ELP's management should market the material in the same way that King Crimson do, through their own management/distribution deals. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:59:59 +0100 To: arnold@iii.net From: A.Ginman@rbgkew.org.uk (Alan Ginman) Reply-To: A.Ginman@rbgkew.org.uk (Alan Ginman) Subject: European Sources of Changing States Cc: ag03kg@lion.rbgkew.org.uk Changing States is listed in the catalogue of GFT, a mail order record dealer in the UK. He delivers to anywhere in Europe, and, in my experience, offers a very good service. Contact numbers are: Tel; 0181 339 9965, and Fax; 0181 339 0070. His annotated catalogue covers, and I quote, Progressive Rock, Mainstream Rock, Canterbury, Head Music, and Synth/Electronic. Give him a try. He's not 'on-line', but damned good. Alan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 19:26:28 -0400 To: nfte@sol.cms.uncwil.edu From: karen1@chelsea.ios.com (KarenStober) Subject: Yesfest 1994 video-anybody get it? Cc: arnold@iii.net, dave@clo.com, MysticDee@aol.com Hi, Two years ago I attended the Yesfest in New York City, run by Suzanne Cerquone and the Yes fanzine, Wonderous Stories. When they went out of publication last year, they were taking checks for the Yesfest 1994 video. Mine was signed by Suzanne Cerquone, dated September 5, 1995. Has anybody recieved the video or heard anything? I sent a letter to find out what happened to my video to the Wonderous Stories address, 320 E. 85th Street, #5C, New York, NY, 10028-5473, but never got any answer. I called thier hotline, 212-545-3760, but it was disconnected. Next I sent a fax, on March 8, 1996, to Robin Kauffman, fax#609-265-7775. She worked with Suzanne, and now does photography for the Opio Foundation newsletters. Well, somebody got the fax, but I never got an answer. I sent a letter to the editor of Progression Magazine, John Collinge, 128 Warren Street, Suite 3, Loweel, MA, 01852. I hope my request gets printed in the Letters To The Editor column. Please, if you can, post this. I am sure I am not the only person looking for thier Yesfest video, and Suzanne Cerquone's address. I have sent this email to The Notes From The Edge Yes Internet Magazine, The ELP Digest, The Asia Armada Digest, and the Yes Information Service Magazine. Any help is welcome. Thank you all very much, Karen E. Stober karen1@chelsea.ios.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 1995 15:54:03 -0800 From: John McGlynn To: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com Subject: New Tull Tribute Album w/cover by Keith Emerson Hi! This is my first posting to the ELP Digest, although I've been reading it for over a year now. Ran across a Jethro Tull cover by various prog-rockers on the Magna Carta label including a cover of "Living in the Past" by Keith Emerson. My one comment is that, although according to a recent transcription from a radio interview that "Keith's right hand looks like it was bitten by a shark...," it certainly doesn't seem to have affected his chops - this version pretty well cooks! The other tracks are very nicely done, as well, although this one seems to stand out as an instrumental. I do have one comment, in passing, regarding some recent Digest postings. While I am ever hungry for news of new material, tour dates, rumours, and discussion of music theory a la ELP, can we confine discussions of 'what actors look like KE,' GL's fat-farm problems, and similar ilk, to the tabloids, please ? Other than that one little gripe I have found the Digest to be fun & informative - please keep the rumour hotline buzzing. Rock on! J. McGlynn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 20:54:43 -0400 To: artshop@artist-shop.com From: Gary Davis Subject: THRaKaTTaK soundbites are up! For all of you who are dying of curiosity as to what King Crimson's THRaKaTTaK sounds like, soundbites are now up for it at The Artist Shop . In fact, I got a little carried away and actually put up FOUR soundbites for it. I suggest you check them out soon as three of them will eventually disappear. For those of you interested in track listings, here goes: 1. THRAK 2. Fearless and Highly THRaKked 3. Mother Hold The Candle Steady While I Shave The Chicken's Lip. 4. THRaKaTTaK Part I 5. The Slaughter Of The Innocents 6. This Night Wounds Time 7. THRaKaTTaK Part II 8. THRAK reprise Again, thanks to Mark Perry and Stan Hertzman for making it possible to include Discipline and Adrian Belew Presents in The Artist Shop. Also thanks to Trey Gunn for his personal compliment of The Artist Shop being an, "Excellent, excellent website." Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad@aol.com SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 14:59:39 -0400 To: bberends@mosquito.com From: Bill Berends Subject: MASTERMIND & STILL live in Philly 7/20 MASTERMIND & STILL live in Philly 7/20 MASTERMIND & STILL (featuring former members of echolyn) will be appearing at the Middle East in Philadelphia this Saturday July 20th. We ask for your support and hope to see some of you there. Middle East, 126 Chestnut St, Phila, PA Show time 10 pm. Admission $6 at the door. Call 1-215-922-1003 for info. Thanks. Bill Berends c/o MASTERMIND -- ================================================= Bill Berends http://www.mosquito.com/~bberends/mastermind/ ================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 00:12:09 -0400 To: artshop@artist-shop.com From: Gary Davis Subject: Artist Shop expansion with Suzanne Ciani As promised, The Artist Shop is expanding! We are most happy to welcome aboard: SUZANNE CIANI'S SEVENTH WAVE RECORDS Seventh Wave specializes in classical, classical crossover and new age recordings. It debuted a couple years ago with Suzanne's album DREAM SUITE, a purely acoustic album for piano and orchestra, and continues with her piano solo recording, PIANISSIMO II. Along with Suzanne, Seventh Wave is also host to harpist Georgia Kelly, including her latest album GARDENS OF THE SUN, and classical pianist Roy Eaton with his album THE MEDITATIVE CHOPIN. Regardless of the directions your musical tastes take you, Seventh Wave is well worth your attention. Many thanks to Joe Anderson at Seventh Wave for making this possible and a friendly wink to Larry Fast for making the suggestion. And if you haven't stopped by the Shop recently, you'll find that we've expanded in another way. We're now making available all the related recordings by the artists in the Shop. If you think we've missed something, just let us know. And let us not forget the other artist labels in our Shop. King Crimson and Family's Discipline Records Adrian Belew Presents Mike Pinder's One Step Records Larry "Synergy" Fast's Third Contact Rhonda (Paul Winter Consort) Larson's Ventus Records plus our New Artists page for upcoming talent. And more expansion is on the way! Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad@aol.com SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Digest, mailing address, and administrative stuff to: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com | +=> The same for now... ELP-related info that you | want to put in the digest to: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com Back issues are available from the World Wide Web ELP Home Page: URL: http://bliss.berkeley.edu/elp/ Note: The opinions, information, etc. contained in this digest are those of the original message sender listed in each message. They are not necessarily those of the mailing list/digest administrator or those of any institution through whose computers/networks this mail flows. Unless otherwise noted, the individual authors of each entry in the Digest are the copyright holders of that entry. 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