ELP Digest Friday, 22 November 1996 Volume 6 : Issue 28 The "Bullet Had Found Him" Edition Today's Topics: Close To Home News Autographed Giger BSS litho Complete ELP CD list? The Nice re: ELP Video; Montreal Olympic Stadium Keith's Keyboards IN Mid 70's PFM mailing list topic: the band Magma Emerson, Lake and Berry Re: ELP Digest V6 #9 (E. Power Biggs) Query re: Nice CD remasters Re: ELP Digest V6 #10 (Lake guitar playing) Enter My Subscription! ELP Set Lists Thieves do not love ELP More PFM musings PFM, Banco and others Italian Progressive Groups The Best Re: The Best Prelude ======= Well, in addition to some news about how to get Keith's Christmas Album straight from his web site and the availability of an ELP-autographed lithograph of the Brain Salad Surgery cover, I've dug deep into the treasure trove (i.e., backlogged messages) this time. Slowly, but surely, we'll get all the discussion, commentary, etc. out to everyone. Thanks to everyone for your continued patience and support. Till next time, - John - ------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 13:41:10 -0800 From: Will Alexander To: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com Subject: Close To Home News Close To Home News EmerSonics is proud to announce that the Keith Emerson Christmas Album, in CD format, will be available "exclusively" over the internet through Close to Home. Credit card orders are welcome and your secured credit card transaction will be shipped expediciously via UPS. Payment by your check is welcomed. The Christmas Album and the 11"X17" poster of "Emo Santa" caracture will also be available with Emo's autograph for an additional charge. Visit the Emerson site for all the specific details including the addition of a new Shockwave video clip for The Christmas Album. In some additional news, there will be an episode of "RIFFF" on the Microsoft Music Central featuring Keith Emerson starting December 6,1996. The "RIFFF" will feature a Real Audio interview with Emo and an interactive piece of music for all subscribers to play with. Unfortunately, "RIFFF" is only available to PC heads at this time (Sorry fellow Mac users....... you can try "Soft Windows" on your PowerMac). More details to come or you can search for "RIFFF" at the Microsoft Music Central website @microsoft.com. [ Editor's Note: Close To Home is found at http://www.interstellar9.com/emerson ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 07:29:53 +0000 From: kstober@attmail.com (Karen E Stober) Subject: Autographed Giger BSS litho To: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com Hi, Time/Warner Exchange catalog, 45 N. Industry Ct., Deer Park, NY, 11729-4614, USA, call 1-800-521-0042 for postage information and/or credit card orders, is offering, on page 53: "Emerson, Lake & Palmer Group Autograph Lithograph" "In 1974, at the height of their success, Emerson, Lake & Palmer collaborated with Swiss air-brush artist H.R. Giger on the cover art for their platinum-selling album, "Brain Salad Surgery". The result was one of the most provocative album covers in the history of rock music. Now 100 commissioned works are available as museum-quality lithographs. All three members of the original group - Keith Emerson, Greg Lake and Carl Palmer - have personally signed this fascinating work, framed and matted with acid-free paper. The accompanying Certificate of Authenticity attests to its collectible status. 29"H x 27"W. Order early to reserve your autographed lithograph. #245506 Limited Edition Signed ELP Litho $395.00 Happy Holidays, all! Karen E. Stober karen1@chelsea.ios.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 14:34:49 -0600 To: arnold@iii.net From: bob.webb@dlcwest.com (Bob Webb) Subject: Complete ELP CD list? Dear John, Thanks for the latest ELP Digest. I look forward to the next one. One question: Where could I find an exhaustive list of all ELP CDs and all CDs by each individual artist? Thanks. Bob. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Robert L. Webb Canadian Theological Seminary bob.webb@dlcwest.com 4400 Fourth Ave. Home: 306-949-9683 Regina, SK Work: 306-545-1515 Canada S4T 0H8 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [ Editor's Note: Sue to popular demand for an ELP discography on the web, I'm going to try to get this accomplished in the next few months. So, stay tuned. I'll announce it here and on the web site when it's done. If any one wants to help by providing either text or HTML versions of a discography, please send me mail. - John - ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 19:23:49 From: Nick Robinson To: arnold@iii.net Subject: The Nice Hi there - are there any Nice fans who might point me towards rare tapes/CDs? I visited a local photographer recently who alongside pix of the Beatles & Stones C63 had a shot lying around of the Nice at Sheffield City Hall. I take it to be 69 - he doesn't even remember being there! I'm going to try & track down the rest of the negs. Am I alone in preferring Keiths output pre-71 to all his later stuff? I don't think ELP bettered their first album - give me the piano/Hammond sound anyday! I only saw them once, at Sheffield City Hall in 71, but a wonderful gig. My first four concerts were Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, the Groundhogs & ELP - those were the days..... cheers, Nick Robinson nick@homelink.demon.co.uk http://alf2.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk:1500/nickdata.html ------------------------------ From: Richard Eckman Subject: re: ELP Video; Montreal Olympic Stadium To: arnold@iii.net Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:59:33 -0400 (EDT) With regard to the requests concerning the video of the ELP Montreal show, to the best of my knowledge no commerical release of the video has ever been made in the USA. It was (maybe still is) available in England. I have a copy of the concert entitled "Live 77" which I purchased at HMV in London back in the mid-80s when I lived in Cambridge. Of course, the video is in PAL format. One of these days I'd like to get it converted to NTSC. Hopefully, someone will bring it out in NTSC format in the states one of these days. Richard Eckman Hampton, VA eckman@norfolk.infi.net ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 96 10:07:12 EDT From: jc Harris <70242.1520@compuserve.com> To: "Emerson, Lake & Palmer List" Subject: Keith's Keyboards IN Mid 70's I am a new subscriber to this list. I have seen a couple of erroneous references to Keith's gear so I thought I'd throw in my 2Cs I was a junior-junior apprentice here in Detroit for SCS services--a PA/ Audio/Electronics outfit. We were hired by Clair bros. and ELP for the Detroit stop of the 'Works' thing in, I -think-, 1975? I got a bit of a 'hands-on' peek at Keith's gear so here are a couple of comments: Keith did indeed have a prototype 'Polymoog' as early as 1972. This prototype was called something like a 'Moog Polyphonic Ensemble' on the credits to Brain Salad Surgery. It was essentially the same beast, but with several 'hand-wired' cards which later became ICs on the Polymoog. (I purchased a shipping Polymoog in 1973 so I -know- they were available shortly after the BSS tour.) The Yamaha beast he played during the Works tour was a GX-1. Despite claims to the contrary, I can assure everyone that this beast was fundamentally different from the CS-80 and so forth and actually was a closer pre-cursor to the DX-7. At the time, we were told that no one was allowed to touch it--the band travelled with a full-time Yamaha tech who, himself had a poor understanding of the thing. You can get all the same sounds he got with that $50,000 job today by simply MIDI-ing together two DX-7s (or sound modules) It had all the same FM stuff (which none of us had heard of except through Computer Music Journal's articles about John Chowning) All The Best, jc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:05:45 +0100 To: arnold@iii.net From: A.Ginman@rbgkew.org.uk (Alan Ginman) Subject: PFM Cc: ag03kg@lion.rbgkew.org.uk Someone asked about the Italian group PFM, or Premiata Forneria Marconi, to give them their full title. I have one of their CDs, 'Storia di un Minuto', and it is superb, full of rich textures and dynamics. Further details are available on the Gibraltar Encyclopedia of Progressive Rock, but to summarise them: avoid the English language versions on the Manticore label, which are repackaged versions of the Italian records and are supposedly inferior. Alan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 22:41:54 -0400 To: arnold@iii.net From: telical@htp.net (Robert Pearson) Subject: mailing list topic: the band Magma There has been a lot of talk about where to go for fans of ELP. I have one hearty recommendation: the band Magma. Christian Vander, the composer/drummer of the band, has started a music movement called Zhuel which is very big in underground circles in France and Japan. He started it just by being an influence, not by any conscious choice of his own. The music is intense, as virtuosic as ELP (more vocallly, since it's very operatic). To me, this is the progressive rock music which will stand the test of time the most (and I've heard those Italian bands mentioned). The music is very influenced by modern composers. It's just a total blow mind and I know true ELP fans can be hard to please sometimes when it comes to bands that "sound like ELP." Here is the web page for Magma http://ailab.sogang.ac.kr:8000/Magma.html It's in Korea, and is very slow at time. I recommend listening to "Mekanik Kommandoh Destriktiw" or "Tristan and Isult." I also like "Attahk" but some hard-core fans don't like it as much. They also have many live recordings and other studio recordings that are well-respected. Magma sounds nothing like Yes, Genesis, -- but sometimes a little like ELP. They are >not< one of those weak "progressive" bands that I used to associate the name Magma to in the 70's. Magma had in it the best musicians in the French music scene, and are highly respected by avant-garde audiophiles. take a chance and feel the Zheul. Watch out for the samples on the page from "1000 Centegrade" as its very early and pretty weird! Robert Pearson - http://www.eskimo.com/~telical/ Member of the "Good List" for Internet Antique Deals. ParaMind Brainstorming Software/Creative Virtue Press 134 Woodhull Rd, Huntington, NY 11743 -- (516) 385-0219 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 11:32:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: John Arnold From: David Wilson-Holmes Subject: Emerson, Lake and Berry Hi Everyone, I managed to get hold of Robert Berry's Pilgrimage to a Point' and have listened to it with great relish, it sure is a fine album but does the overall sound like `Asia' or what, I guess it is strongly to do with Steve Howes undisputable guiter playing style. Can anyone tell me if there was any official albums released whilst they where together as `3'? [ Editor's Note: The album "To the Power of Three" was released on Geffen Records and a 3 tour of small venues were released at the time. The 3 tour was Emerson, Palmer, Berry, and 1 or 2 extra folks on backing vocals, etc. - John - ] One other thing in the CDNOW as we know have a good catalogue of ELP albums. However I have noticed an album entitled `D' has anyone heard it? If anyone could pass on a review I would most certainly appreciate it so. [...] David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 10:11:49 -0700 From: erwill@ix.netcom.com () Subject: Re: ELP Digest V6 #9 (E. Power Biggs) To: arnold@iii.net In the last digest sombody said... >>> If you like your organ a little on the heavy side (E. Power Biggs fans, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>> are you listening???) you might like this. Available from >>> Wanamaker/Hechts, Customer Service - Grand Court Organ. 13th & Market >>> Streets, Philadelphia PA 19107-3321 What's this supposed to mean? E Power Biggs was the most lifeless, dead, unfeeling baroque purist to have ever lived. He wasn't a heavy player. ELP fans should check out a guy named Virgil Fox. He got me into music. Virgil Fox conducted a series of organ shows across Europe and America which coupled his interpretations of Bach's music for organ with a light show. Music for the masses, indeed... Sorry about the lack of elegance and meat in my message, but it's 4am and I really should be getting to bed right about now. Thank You... -- James Eric Williamson - erwill@ix.netcom.com - erwill@heartland.bradley.edu One of Peoria's most obscure ambient blues musicians ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 21:39:12 +0000 From: hani@pacific.net.sg (Hani So) To: arnold@dartmouth.banyan.com Subject: Query re: Nice CD remasters Hi John, Are there re-mastered versions og the Nice's "Five Bridges" and "Ars Vita Longa Brevis" albums ? Thanks. Regards Hani So hani@pacific.net.sg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 19:16:33 +0100 To: John Arnold From: Nick Robinson Subject: Re: ELP Digest V6 #10 (Lake guitar playing) > > On the first album the guitar parts are not complex and Greg used > socalled open tunings to play. Lucky Man needs four very > basic chords to play it on the guitar. So much the better - simple is always hard to do well > But then: The Sage from the studio version of PaaE is very simple. > It takes 30 minutes to 'tab' chords and solo. And there are > two major mistakes in it (should not happen in a studio version). How do you know they are mistakes? Itf they *are*, then it cheers me up no end - ELP studio work could be lifeless through perfection sometimes > Greg is not a good guitar player. His cross-picking is as good as any I've heard, perfectly articulated. > You can identify Greg's voice on every record. It's unique. Most people's are! Greg had lessons from neighbour Bob Fripp in his youth (that's how fripp knew him as a member for King Crimson). Did you know Greg played with Ken Hensley in the Gods before Crimso, but not on their 2 records. Any Nice fans out there who can point me at rare recordings/cds? cheers, Nick "lost faith after Trilogy" Robinson nick@homelink.demon.co.uk http://alf2.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk:1500/nickdata.html Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 00:50:24 -0400 From: DavBryant@aol.com To: arnold@dartmouth.banyan.com Subject: Enter My Subscription! Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3634 Hi John- I've been having a good time checking out back issues of your digest. Wish something like this had been around when I was in high school in the early seventies. Enter my subscription! And now, a couple my own frequently-asked but never answered questions: What's that instrument at a right angle to the left of the piano on the photo on the "Welcome Back" album? It looks like a little spinet piano. Baldwin and Gretsch both had electric instruments that looked like that out around that time. Is that what Keith used to play the "Jeremy Bender/Sheriff" medley? By the time I saw that tour in Richmond, Virginia, both the instrument and the medley were out of the show. Also, is that the instrument Keith used for "Nutrocker" even though he said in his KEYBOARD magazine column that he used the Clavinet? In any event, it sounds like he was using the same stereo flange effect he used on the Hammond occasionally to get the "honky-tonk" sound. Does anybody know the running orders of tunes in the Nice sets recorded at the Fillmore? Having just heard the excerpts everyone else has on the authorized albums, I'm curious as to how long the complete sets were, what other songs were performed, how the sets were paced, etc. In general, I'd like to enter a plea that somebody do a comprehensive technical interview with Emerson or technicians who have worked with him concerning his experiments with live sound reinforcement and recording techniques especially in the early days. My guess is his forthcoming autobiography won't get too technical and there's also a fear of "trade secrets" being revealed, but hey, let's face it: if this was Jimi Hendrix we were talking about, Bill Hough, Eddy Offord, Will Alexander and all other parties concerned would be subjected to cross-examination of an absurd degree, not because everybody wanted to cop a certain sound (and, as Hendrix researchers have proven, it takes more than plugging everything in correctly to achieve musical success) but because this is of historical importance, and if it's not documented now, it won't happen. In a lot of cases, Emerson did it first and he did it best and I can't think of another artist whose technical experiences would begin to rival his, especially in live performance. Maybe even more importantly, someone should ask Keith: Conceptually, what have you tried to accomplish when going after certain keyboard sounds? What do you feel constitutes musical success when working with electronic keyboards in an exposed trio setting? Frankly, hearing his thoughts on these broader aesthetic subjects and how they relate to technical matters might be much more revealing and inspirational than a nuts-and-bolts description of his rig taken out of all musical context. Finally, let me put in a vote of confidence for the "Atlantic Years" two CD set that seems to be forgotten these days in all the hoopla over the "Manticore" boxed set. To my mind, these are the best mastered versions of all early ELP material up through "Brain Salad Surgery" except for the Mobile Fidelity stuff. From "Welcome Back" on, I prefer the Victory versions. One caveat: the "Atlantic Years" version of "Jerusalem" has the left and right channels reversed, so reach around and switch your interconnect wires to hear it correctly or when making a tape. Sorry this was so long. I promise I won't write often! Thanks for the Digest. Best, Dave Bryant DavBryant@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 96 21:15:16 -0700 From: glen@mrpither.demon.co.uk To: arnold@dartmouth.banyan.com Subject: ELP Set Lists Is it possible to provide any information on set lists played on the 'Blackmoon' tour 92/93. Also any setlist info on the emerson lake powell shows. Many thanks Simon and Glen Brough Sheffield England ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 22:45:38 -0700 From: Antonio Augusto Gorni To: arnold@dartmouth.banyan.com Subject: Thieves does not love ELP John: More findings from my permanent ELP search on Internet: ------ Begin quote ------ Article: rec.music.progressive.30318 Message-ID: <4mv5ok$3kc@lsi.lsil.com> From: nickl@lsi-logic.co.uk (nick loebner) Subject: Re: Thieves have no taste in music Score: 100 First 60 lines: In article 8e@news.uit.no, Paal Jensen () writes: >Someone broke into my car and stole my car stereo. They left all >the progressive rocks cd's (Camel, Gentle Giant, Gong, etc.) but >took one cheesy pop album which I had borrowed from a friend. I >guess thiefs have no taste in music. If someone broke into my house, >I expect them to leave my record collection alone. A good friend of mine was burgled (some years ago). He lost all his prized collection of bizarre music LPs and cassettes - EXCEPT - promiently positioned up against one wall of the empty room was one vinyl lp: Emerson Lake and Palmer!!!! (and it wasn't Love Beach) - Nick. ------ End Quote ------ Well, if thieves attack my home, they certainly will leave one of my most estimated treasures! Antonio --------------------- Antonio Augusto Gorni Materials Engineer, M.Eng. Researcher, COSIPA Steelworks Professor, Industrial Engineering School - FEI Sao Vicente, SP Brazil Fax: +55 13 361-1147 E-Mail: agorni@dialdata.com.br Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/5978/index.html "The Weaver in the Web that He Made!" (Emerson, Lake & Palmer: Tarkus) --------------------- ------------------------------ To: arnold@dartmouth.banyan.com From: David Maclennan Sender: davidm@cs.moc.govt.nz Subject: More PFM musings Date: 15 May 1996 14:17:58 +1300 Nice to see a bit about PFM in ELP Digest, though I confess I've always been puzzled by the number of people who say "PFM sound a bit like ELP". Personally, I don't think they do. I think both acts had their own distinct sounds. PFM's "Photos of Ghosts" is my all-time favourite prog album and has been ever since I first got it in January 1974. I've been through three vinyl copies (didn't wear them out - just searching for a decent pressing!) and now I have it on CD (on a UK lable called Great Expectations, who also issued "Storia..." and "Per Un Amico"). I'd like to get "The World Became the World" in its English form on CD but I don't think it's available. I didn't think much of "Choc Kings", and until entering cyberspace and finding a good PFM website which had a history and discography, wasn't aware that they did anything after this album. As for Banco, I only ever heard the first album they released on Manticore. I didn't think they were anywhere near as interesting as PFM, and I hated the vocals. Cheers, David Maclennan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 16:30:24 -0700 From: "stefano d'alisera" To: arnold@dartmouth.banyan.com Subject: PFM, Banco and others Italian Progressive Groups Should you be interested in PFM, Banco and others Italian progressive rock groups (year 1970...), contact "http://videomusic.com/nannucci" an italian CD and LP supplier. Index "ROCK PROGRESSIVO ITALIANO" Bye Stefano D'Alisera ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 22:17:39 -0700 From: Grijseels & Waalwijk To: arnold@dartmouth.banyan.com Subject: The Best Dear Sir, Somewhere in the beginning of the nineties Emerson toured with a group called The Best. In this group where Walsh, Entwistle, Baxter, Phillips and Reid. Have you got information on this band. Did they record? Are there videos (or so) availeble? Have you got information on tour-scedules? I would be very interested to know more of this project. Thank you, Yours, Hans Waalwijk, Amsterdam, Netherlands E-mail ------------------------------ From: arnold@kilsythe (John Arnold) To: gryswyk@euronet.nl Cc: arnold@dartmouth Subject: Re: The Best I'll add your questions to a future ELP Digest and see if other readers can answer them. (If you don't subscribe, please consider signing up. I'll attach some information below). Here's what I think I know about "The Best".... * they only played in Japan. * they had an appearance on Japan TV, I think. So, I think there are some people who have videotapes of the concert recorded off of TV * I think someone has told me that there was a Japanese videotape or laserdisc of the TV concert made available though I've never seen it available in the US. Hope this helps. - John - ------------------------------ Digest, mailing address, and administrative stuff to: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com | +=> The same for now... ELP-related info that you | want to put in the digest to: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com Back issues are available from the World Wide Web ELP Home Page: URL: http://bliss.berkeley.edu/elp/ Note: The opinions, information, etc. contained in this digest are those of the original message sender listed in each message. 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