ELP Digest Wednesday, 12 March 1997 Volume 7 : Issue 4 The "Where She Has Been" Edition Today's Topics: Zoukra Spoken voices in KE9 2nd Impression greg lake cd Greg Lake's guitar playing Re: ELP Digest V7 #2 (Nice and the US flag) An E.L.P. First !!!!!! (Well in our houshold anyway) Re: ELP Digest V7 #2 (Zoukra) For ELP Digest (The Only Way and Spock's Beard) hope to see ELP in scandinavia. PLP Pictures at an Exhibition Nice flag burning Regarding the Theremin fwd: PFM Kim Fowley's Nutrocker in Movie Lucky Man Keith Emerson Re: Nice Questions & Quatro Re: What's wrong with ELP Re: ELP Digest V7 #3 Re: ELP Digest V6 #30 Montreal, 1977 and... ELP Concert in Brazil Prelude ======= I've got much more to include than fits here so I'll try to reduce the lag before the next edition comes out. Included in this issue is an early report of an ad for an ELP concert in South America. Though I believe that people are seeing these ads, I do want to mention that I haven't heard any confirmation of this from the ELP camp. I'll try to get more information. However, it does appear that ELP is considering a tour for 1997! I'll get official confirmation to you as soon as it becomes available. - John - ------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 13:11:53 -0800 From: mspayne@in2nett.com (mspayne - Cassandra Payne) To: John Arnold Subject: Zoukra Couple of points: According to my 'informed sources, a Zoukra is an Eastern Mediterranian Zither, which kind of makes sense as an instrument Keith would want to play. Additionally, I've heard a couple of strong rumors recently about official band endorsed MIDI files being available. Can anyone confirm or deny? Finally, does anyone know the final resting place of the legendary 'Works' stainless steel Drumset (Ludwig, I believe)? Cassandra Payne -- ******************************************** Mistress Cassandra Payne Payne Manor: http://www.in2nett.com/mspayne/ mspayne@in2nett.com (604) 874-1102 Suite 580, #101-1001 W Broadway Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6H 4E4 ******************************************** ------------------------------ From: Jim Smith To: "'John Arnold (E-mail)'" Subject: Spoken voices in KE9 2nd Impression Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 09:52:14 -0800 Hi, I've been playing around with a sound waveform editor (CoolEdit) and the voice at the "bottom" of the mix of Karn Evil 9 Second Impression. I couldn't really isolate the voice, but I slowed it down and filtered some of the band out. Here's what it sounds like it might be to me. I think it's somebody using a Latin-American accent, saying something like the following: "hey you guys if you guys would like to go for tortillas, I could probably afford to spot you!" That's the one that seems most likely, but here are other candidate fragments: [hey] you guys [if] you guys would like to go for tortillas, I could [probably loan you my LAWNmower!] [heartily] [heartily] [stop you] [hardly] [probably] [afford to] [spot you] Of course, I may be totally off base here. Especially if it's Portuguese or some other language besides English! Maybe Will Alexander could tell us the story on those voices... - Jim Smith smithj@sr.hp.com ------------------------------ From: GENCOTRAIN@aol.com Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 13:21:25 -0500 (EST) To: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com Subject: greg lake cd I heard on WNEW FM that Greg Lake has a King Biscuit Live CD avaiable only through GL home page.I can't locate it .Any help would be appreciated.ELP fan since 73. Joe D [ Editor's Note: Yes, there's a new autographed limited edition of the King Biscuit CD featuring Greg and his solo band's show from the Hammersmith Odeon back in 1981 or so. Besides being signed and numbered, it features 2 bonus tracks from the standard CD: an interview with Greg about his early solo band and a rare rendition of Greg and his solo band doing C'est La Vie. You can read more about it at Greg's site: http://www.dynrec.com/lake - John - ] ------------------------------ From: DDemarc@aol.com Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 13:36:52 -0500 (EST) To: girard@ireg-sat.hydro.gc.ca cc: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com Subject: Greg Lake's guitar playing Dear Claude, Regarding your recent comment that Greg may not be practicing the 6 - string as much as he used to as evidenced by his performance of P.E on the boxed set, I do not dispute your assumption. However, I do remember reading that he had some assistance from another guitar player on that track. In all likelihood, Greg's not even playing that part. However, I could be wrong. Regards, Dave DeMarco Ddemarc@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 20:48:15 +0000 To: John Arnold From: Nick Robinson Subject: Re: ELP Digest V7 #2 (Nice and the US flag) > full liner page of Nice info is included but I wonder about the mention >that the American flag was OFTEN burned at the performances of "America". AFAIK, it was only done once, & that was an aerosol on paper "flag" - I've got photos of it at the gig... all the best, Nick Robinson personal email nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk work mail nick@rpmrecords.demon.co.uk homepage http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/nick BOS homepage http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/ DART homepage http://www.shef.ac.uk/uni/projects/oip/dart/ RPM homepage http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 15:42:27 +0000 From: anthony.brown@virgin.net (anthony.brown@virgin.net) To: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com Subject: An E.L.P. First !!!!!! (Well in our houshold anyway) John, I'm almost sure that this sort of topic has not been mentioned in previous digests, well at least not as far back as the begining of 1994! which is as far back as I've managed to catch up on my back issue reading. As the Father of a 28 month old daughter there are certain "Red letter" days in our daughters devolpment, you know the sort of thing. First tooth or the first time the "Potty" is used sucessfully !!!!. Well today the 31st of Janauary 1997 was the first time that Ashleigh sung an E.L.P. Lyric. My wife (Lyn) was out shopping and Ashleigh and I were in the computer room. I was listening "Lucky Man" from the first CD in the "Atlantic Years" collection. Each time Greg sang, "Oooo what a lucky man he was" Ashleigh sang "Lucky man"! I was gobsmacked!!!. I got to thinking "I wondedr if this could be the start of a ELP mutual appreciation society !!!" goodness knows what her mum will think when I tell her!!! Well if that wasn't enough it turns out my daughter is also a critic. Later on I was listening to either the backend of "Battlefield" or the beginning of "Aquatarkus" ( I'm not sure which) and Ashleigh said "Up two three four". I sat looking at her blankly trying to work out what she was saying to me, and then it struck me. Because Carl's druming is very martial at this point it must have reminded her of one of her Childrens Videos in whch a broken toy soldier forgets how to march but is reminded by a medal on his chest which had "UP 2 3 4" on it (BTW Hup 2 3 4 is a phrase bellowed by British Army drill Sergents so that a squad of marching soldiers can keep in step). Now obviously Carl's drumming had reminded my daughter of this other marching song, I was gobsmacked again!!!!!!. So I know most of us can remember when we first heard ELP but has anyone had any similar experiences! Keep up the great work on the digest T O N Y B R O W N ------------------------------ From: "Tom Myler" To: "John Arnold" Subject: Re: ELP Digest V7 #2 (Zoukra) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 20:55:00 -0800 >Date: Mon, 20 Jan 97 01:50:55 UT From: "Linda Kibak" To: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com Subject: Zoukra? [...] any idea what a zoukra is? it was a trivia question in the fan club. It was an instrument which Keith played on Trilogy. I have gone into the top music stores in Manhattan and no one has a clue. if you can help, it would be key!< I read an interview a long time ago, in which Keith said a Zoukra is an Arabic reed instrument, and that he (Keith) "nearly blew my brains out" hitting that high note. Myler, Tom whose wife used to think Greg was singing "Drastic Apparel" (Just Take a Pebble) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 15:33:31 GMT To: John Arnold From: Malcolm Oliver Subject: For ELP Digest (The Only Way and Spock's Beard) In Digest V7 #2, Even Gaarder, misquoted a line from 'The Only Way'. The actual line is 'Why did HE lose 6 million JEWS=92. The song is obviously about religion and faith, and this line refers to the Jewish holocaust. I can recall Greg being on a British religious program in the mid-1970s. He explained that his Christian faith inspired many of his lyrics, and was in part why ELP had recorded Jerusalem. On a different note, I can recommend two contemporary progressive bands to ELP fans. The first is the American band 'Spock's Beard'. Their album 'In The Light' is excellent and has four long tracks with ELP, Tull and Beatles influences. The second, is the British band 'Jadis'. Although their brand of guitar based prog is not particularly ELP in style, I would still recommend their brilliant debut album 'More Than Meets The Eye'. They are also a great live band. I believe that both albums are available directly from GEP Records, P.O. box 23, Alresford, Hampshire, SO24 9WE, England. Best wishes from, Malcolm Oliver, London ****************************** * oliver01@globalnet.co.uk * ****************************** ------------------------------ From: vnthor@peace.is (Valur Norddal) To: Subject: hope to see ELP in scandinavia. Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 21:55:56 -0000 I have been a ELP fan since I was 15 years old,and living here on the edge of the world Iceland has not been easy having not so much hope to see my favorite band ever playing here,although many great bands have played here in Iceland,like JETHRO TULL,LED ZEP,BOB DYLAN,DEEP PURPLE. THE STRANGLERS,THE CLASH,AND PROCOL HARUM. But i like how many people still show ELP respect on the ELP digest . What I think is to be ELP greatest achivement is to open up some of the world finest music in classic for example no other group played Mussorsky, Bela Bartok,Aaron Copeland,Ginastera,I mean these guys opend up dimensions that no other rock group did. But even sadly were misunderstood by the ever changing rock criteria. at last I never seen any list how many singles ELP made,and were there any rarites on their B sides? Are there any legal rarity albums avaliable with ELP other than the return of the Manticore box set? [ Editor's Note: I don't know of many "rarities" as B-sides. "Humbug" from the Greg Lake "I Believe in Father Christmas" is the only one that quickly comes to mind. Of course, the A-sides of singles are interesting in how longer pieces were adapted to single-length. "Fanfare" and "Stones Of Years" are examples of this. So, as far as I know, the things like "Bo Diddly" on RoTM are the only real examples of rarities on ELP albums. There have been some rumors that there may be some Greg Lake "previously unreleased" tracks on his upcoming Rhino anthology. - John - ] ------------------------------ Date: 06 Feb 1997 08:03:56 Z From: To: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com (Receipt notification requested) Subject: PLP After having got the latest "Fanzine For The Common Man" with a lot of exciting stuff on ELP in 1997 (especially old and new solo stuff), I've also seen Par Lind Project (PLP) which was a treat in itself and gave me several thoughts on ELP live. Par Lindh is a flamboyant Swedish keyboardist with a classical training and very much into ELP. He's a great fan of Keith, having dedicated his album "Gothic Impressions" to 'J.S. Bach, Keith Emerson and the Chartres Cathedral'. His band PLP (yes, they use that ab.) played a lot of their own great material from GI, "Rondo" and "Bilbo", the latest based on Tolkien and in colaboration with the interesting and very melodic guitar player Bjorn Johanson. The concert was great fun for all 100 eager Norwegian filling up the "small scene" at the student house in Oslo last Friday. A pity PLP does not excpect to draw more people and announce their concerts better. However, PLP gave me a lot of thoughts on ELP from the way they used ELP stuff. They did a good "Tiger in a Spotlight" jam (without vocals) and really got the audience excited. And then about the middle of their 2 hour show PLP set on a dramatic tape from Shakespeare's Henry IV (I guess) with the good king Harry encouraging his men before Agincourt. And as the audience wondered what the heck was going on, PLP broke into "Jerusalem". I was simply knocked down by the context, even if it was a bit strange to hear the song with a female singer. How come artistic things like this has not been done on the ELP tours of the 90's? I mean, its rather inexpensive and provides a lot of pleasure. Done correctly it may even turn the critics. In the same vein PLP did a tape with a train building up speed before moving into a frentic version of "Rondo" (inspired, I guess, by how Keith treats the Hammond at the start of the tune), incorporating everything from "The Sorcerers's Apprentice", through "Amazing Graze" and "Van Diemens's Land" from U2's "Rattle and Hum", besides Bach's Toccata and such. Par had really studied his Keith - except from the wrestling - as well as added a lot of suitable stuff. I guess it all boils down to money and time. However, even if ELP at the moment does not own the resources of Pink Floyd and their car companies it must be possible on a new tour (preferable Europe this time...) to use things like dramatic tapes, slides and non pretentious videos to build up to even greater climaxes and moods? I guess there's even som fans willing to help, some may already have done semiprofessional videoes to ELP music (hasn't someone written about that in the digest?). I mean, it may not be all that expensive. It would have been great to see ELP dealing with more "contemporary issues" - or perennial - (without attempting to be politicians)such as war and the inhumanity of man (e.g. showing pictures of war and tumoilts while playing "Barbarian", varying the videos or effects through "Lucky Man" and "Pirates" to "Lay down your Guns", "Black Moon", "Farewell to Arms" and "Street War"). Or on the subject of man and machines (e.g. "KE9", "Knife Edge", "Learning to Fly" or some new stuff) or a combination or whatever. Why should this be left to Roger Waters and Bono? Its possible to elaborate/dream/drool on this for hours, however, perhaps it would be better if someone even more responsible for the band's time and money could continue... Bjo/rn Are (still waiting for a live CD from the 96 tour!) Bjorn-Are.Davidsen@s.nett.telenor.no ------------------------------------------------------------------- The Weaver in the Web that he made - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Our minds were moving parallell Because they never met ------------------------------ From: "Bernard Delmage" To: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:21:53 GMT Subject: Pictures at an Exhibition I am sure that the cinema version of Pictures at an Exhibition showed the whole ELP concert and not just Pictures whereas the video of Pictures is just Pictures. Am I right about the film and, if so, why wasn't the whole concert released on video? Thanks......Bernard [ Editor's Note: The US release that I have does seem to only include the "Pictures At An Exhibition" part of that concert. However, you are right that a longer version has been around. I have a Japanese import laserdisc that contains the exact same "Pictures" part (even including the weird visuals) but also has Knife Edge, Take A Pebble, and Rondo at the end. I don't know why the US release was cut to only have Pictures. - John - ] ------------------------------ From: "Bernasconi, David" To: "Arnold, John" Subject: Nice flag burning Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 12:42:00 -0500 This is in reply Steve Plotczyk, ELP Digest January 97 Volume 7 Issue 2. >>A full liner page of Nice info is included but I wonder about the mention >>that the American flag was OFTEN burned at the performances of "America". Yes this is true. In fact the Nice made national network news (probably NBC, possibly CBS) for throwing knives at the flag and burning it at the Filmore. I can vaguely remember Keith holding a smaller american flag and burning it. God it feels great when another brain cell kicks in!!! [ Editor's Note: It appears we've heard 2 versions of this. One is that it happened only in London. And another that it also happened at the Filmore. Can anyone verify for sure? - John - ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 21:52:03 +0000 From: Andy Buelow To: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com Subject: Regarding the Theremin In previous digest issues, I have seen the strange electronic instrument Keith has a habit of "mounting" referred to as a "ribbon controller" and a "theremin." From music history classes in school I remember learning that the "theremin" was one of the earliest electronic instruments, but I had never seen one until recently -- and it bears absolutely no resemblance to the ribbon controller. It is a black, vertical box with two stainless steel wires protruding from either side. By placing one's hand in proximity to one wire, you control pitch. The other wire controls volume, again determined by the distance the hand is held from the wire. I understand there are a few professional virtuoso thereminists, and it was a very interesting instrument -- I would have loved to take it home! What I am wondering is, does anyone know the origin of Keith's "ribbon controller?" How does it work? Is it similar to the theremin, or is it simply a different type? Did he invent it, and if not, who did? Thanks, Andy [ Editor's Note: Emerson uses a ribbon controller for the effect in Tarkus. Where the theremin (see Bob Moog's company: Big Briar - web site listed on the ELP web site - for more on modern-day theremins) is an instrument that is affected by motions near antennae (i.e., you don't actually touch it), the ribbon controller is more like a continuous strip of metal that bases the note to be played on where you touched the strip. So, much like a violin fingerboard (where there are no frets) and you can slide notes by moving your fingers up/down the fingerboard, the ribbon controller lets you slide notes by running your finger (or other object) up/down the "ribbon. There have even been little ribbon controllers in some other Moog keyboards above the keys, I think. But I'm sure another reader will give us more detail. - John - ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 16:13:35 -0500 Subject: fwd: PFM From: Kevin Patrick MacNutt , on 2/9/97 4:12 PM: To: arnold@iii.net Hey, Did someone ask about the Italian group Premiata Forneria Marconi. I don't know much about them, apart from line up and albums. Some of the albums I have is: Per Un Amico(Great Expidtion Records 1972 (Re-issue, U.K. import)); The World Became The World(Manticore 1974); Cook(Manticore 1975); Chocolate Kings(Asylum 1976); Prime Impressioni(Numero Uno(Itlaly) 1976); Celebration(Numero Uno(Italy) 1976). The album from 1972 and both Numero Uno issues have the Italian renditions of songs that are on Cook and When The World Became The World which both have the Pete Sinfield english lyrics, although one of the Numero Uno releases has the english version of Per Un Amico which is titled Photos Of Ghosts. If you need any info on PFM, or any other 70's prog. groups and where to obtain albums, drop me a line. Kevin Patrick MacNutt 150 Westview Street macnutkp@jmu.edu P.O. Box 430 1-540-879-2543 Dayton, VA 22821 Rene Descartes is on an aeroplane and a flight attendant asks him if he ordered any drinks. Descartes replied "I think not", and dissapeared. "I think, therefore I am" -Rene Descartes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 20:27:38 MST From: rkp@druak.dr.lucent.com (Russell Keith Pierce) To: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com For those that may be interested... We recently rented the movie "The Young Poisoner's Handbook." It is the (supposedly) true story of a teenager in England who methodically poisoned his family until his mother died, was caught and sent to the looney bin, talked his way out, did the same thing to his coworkers, got caught again, and then committed suicide. Quite a strange movie. But, the time period started in the mid-60s, so the soundtrack had bits and pieces of various tunes of the times. One of the tunes was (I assume) the original Nutrocker by Kim Fowley. It was done on an acoustic, honky-tonky-ish piano. Rhythm (sp?) wise, it sounded very similar to the "Pictures" recording. Back to the movie, I'd give it 3 stars; my wife wouldn't give it one planet! Russ Pierce Colorado, USA rkpierce@lucent.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 01:54:07 -0800 From: zangari To: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com Subject: Lucky Man I just wanted to let you know that the first time I heard ELP was at a high school debate in 1971. I was in the cafeteria which was where the different schools would meet between debates.Anyway someone was playing records like CSN, Cat Stevens, etc. so Lucky Man was playing and I wasn't paying much attention until the ending syntheziser solo at the end which made me say "What on earth is that?" It is still my favorite Emerson solo. Thanks Craig ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:46:34 +0000 From: Catherine DeSimone To: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com Subject: Keith Emerson I know an interesting fact about Keith Emerson. My name is Tony DeSimone, I own "Brain Salad Surgery", but unfortunately that is also all I've heard, I'm 14 years old. Anyway, back to ELP. There is a Japanese Animated movie that Emerson wrote a song for. The Movie is called:"HARMAGEDDON:THE GREAT BATTLE WITH GENMA" which is available (somewhere) on video. Anyway, during the end credits a song named "The Children of the Light". For some reason, it was in English (Which made me wonder). So I watched the end credits, and found out that Keith Emerson wrote the music to it. However he didn't write the lyrics (And neither did any other member of ELP). I'll tell you who wrote the lyrics on another E-Mail message. Keith Emerson was also the music director for the movie, But didn't write the score. Your Welcome, Tony. [ Editor's Note: I have "Harmageddon" on laser disc but don't know if it's available on videotape or not. Though I need to rely on the English subtitles (since I don't know Japanese), it seems to be a pretty interesting animation in the Japanese Sci-Fi animation tradition. - John - ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 22:28:26 +0000 To: Chamber of Commerce Cc: John Arnold From: Peter Wilton Subject: Re: Nice Questions & Quatro Chamber of Commerce writes > >Can anyone tell me if this grouping is the same as "Ars Longa Vita Brevis" >or another earlier release? I have vinyls "Elegy", "Everything as Nice as >Mother..", "Autumn to Spring" and "Five Bridges". I think most of the studio >cuts from these albums match the ones on this CD, but I'm not sure. One >exception is the vinyl version of "The Thoughts of Emerlilist/Davjack" at >4:12, it is considerably longer than the version on this CD. I think the original version was the shorter, and that the remix on Autumn-Spring included repeating the first section up to the organ interlude. >The limited labeling is spiced with spelling errors...(Tim Harding?) >Funniest of all are the composing credits for all original songs and >arrangements. They are shown as "Emerlist/Davjack". Obviously the characters >that put this together weren't too familiar with the band or knew anyone >that was. I think (but am not certain) that certain records over the years have listed the members of the band in this way in the composers' credits - it may not be a mistake. -- Peter Wilton The Gregorian Association Web Page: http://www.beaufort.demon.co.uk/chant.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 22:59:35 +0000 To: Mike Florio Cc: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com From: Peter Wilton Subject: Re: What's wrong with ELP Mike Florio writes >I have never been to a concert, > ELP or otherwise, where there wasn't a lull in crowd > enthusiasm during a solo spot. I agree. The crowd loses interest and starts talking around you, and, as a result, you can't enjoy the best bit of the concert: Emo's piano solo! -- Peter Wilton The Gregorian Association Web Page: http://www.beaufort.demon.co.uk/chant.htm ------------------------------ From: "Tom Myler" To: "John Arnold" Subject: Re: ELP Digest V7 #3 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 16:34:40 -0800 >>> ............And, just curious if anyone shares this choice with me, but MY >>> choice for their best song ever is "Karn Evil 9 SECOND Impression." I love >>> the jazz piano and I LOVE that mysterious piano-bass duet in the >>> middle. Now THAT'S innovative and inventive music! You're choice is almost the same as mine: I would have to count KE9 1st impression (all of it), AND the second impression, as a tie for their best ever recorded material. With "Toccatta" running a very close second. Myler, Tom "Perhaps the greatest wisdom is the knowledge of one's own ignorance" John Steinbeck ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 22:49:43 +0000 To: Klemmre@aol.com Cc: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com From: Peter Wilton Subject: Re: ELP Digest V6 #30 Klemmre@aol.com writes >The ELPowell album is a great album I think. "Touch and Go" is a terrific >song, especially the synthesizer bits between verses... >that was pure Emerson. (Quite a lot of it is anon/trad with help from Ralph Vaughan Williams.) >He is also right on the bootleg issue. If they don't want people buying >bootlegs, then make the stuff available!!! It has always been my opinion that >ELP was better live than in the studio. The live versions of many of their >songs are more exciting than the studio cuts. "Hoedown" is a good example. So >is "Tarkus." That's true, but I've always liked it when he's sat down at the piano, and the audience arousal excitement thing and sensitive piano playing just don't go together. And Emo is capable of the latter, so I'd rather hear his studio recordings for that! >I saw the "Pictures" video in a theatre back in the late 70s. It's called ELP >"Rock and Roll Your Eyes" or something like that. It has to be one of the >WORST concert movies ever filmed. I'm not referring to the performance but >to the actual filming and editing of it. Boring. And so dated too, all those >bits where they zoom into the comic book panels. POINTLESS! Alan Moore's book, one of the few musicological books on rock to have considered prog worthy of attention, suggests that many of the conventions of prog were inspired by LSD trips, so I suppose this kind of visual image was par for the course at the time it was made. Emo's Blues variations improvisations are much better than on the original album, despite the visual sea-sickness (I copied them on to audio so I don't have to look!). It's regrettable that the video (at least in my version) contains only the Pictures section of the film - I'd rather have done without that and had the rest, having only seen it once recently at a public showing, which was curtailed for an auction of ELP memorabilia in which I had no interest whatsoever! >Then came "Love Beach". They >had >reached their peak with "Trilogy" and "Brain Salad Surgery" and they never >recorded anything remotely as strong since. They've recorded some of the best >music I have ever heard and also some of the worst. Memoirs has Chopin well played and interestingly reused, which is the sort of thing I originally admired in Emo. For me, Love Beach is not as bad, and BSS not as good as fans carried along by "critical conventions" would have it. >He is also right. With age, they should be maturing as musicians, not >rehashing greatest hits. They aren't maturing as musicians. They reached >their peak a long time ago and they haven't recorded anything interesting in >over ten years. I would say that their last great piece was "Pirates" but I >liked a lot of the ELPowell album from the 80s. There was a lot of life on >that album and some great playing and that great bombastic SOUND that only >Emerson can get out of a synthesizer. Their version of "Romeo & Juliet" on >"Black Moon" was the only thing they recorded in the 90s that even remotely >reminded me of the excitement of their heydey. I lost interest in Lake with the Works songs. But there has been much from Emerson since that has been worth hearing, not least the film soundtracks and solos. He certainly hadn't peaked then. But perhaps recent crises have not been conducive to great creativity? -- Peter Wilton The Gregorian Association Web Page: http://www.beaufort.demon.co.uk/chant.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 12:34:21 -0500 To: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com From: "JOSEPH H. WENER" Subject: Montreal, 1977 and... I was fortunate to have attended the Olympic Stad. concert (being an ex-Montrealer and all) and remember it as though it was yesterday. It is probably the only real "epic" concert that I have ever attended. I didn't have the presence of mind to record the playlist (nor would I have anyway, sorry, John) but isn't there a live album recording? Vol. 7, No. 3 has definitely attracted the most outspoken critiques of the band that I can remember and I enjoyed reading most of them. Think about it. These guys and their music have touched us sufficiently that we want to let them know how we feel. I, for one, am grateful that they still have the stamina to get out on the road once in awhile and give us all a little lift. I dread the day when that ends. Hearing Tarkus played live again for the first time in over ten years (in 1991) was nothing short of life sustaining. I want that experience at least once each year and that is all I ask. Go easy on these old farts. If they hadn't paid their dues, you wouldn't be reading this post. Joe Wener (turning 40 next month...). [ Editor's Note: Although most of the Montreal concert is on the newer "Works Live" CD (as opposed to the "In Concert" CD), I don't think it's presented in the order played. I'm almost positive that I wrote down the set list as they played it at the Montreal concert (I'm a habitual notetaker) and I'll try to find it. I do recall that it was the only ELP show I've been to with an intermission. The "Fanfare" video (of ELP playing "Fanfare" in the rare May spring snowstorm at the Olympic Stadium) was played during intermission as I recall. I'll see if I can dig out the real playlist. - John - ] ------------------------------ From: "Rogerio Ivan Mimessi" To: Subject: ELP Concert in Brazil Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 16:03:52 -0300 Hi John: I have been reading in brazilian newspapers and magazines that there will be a ELP show in Sao Paulo, Brazil - at the Olympia Theater in the middle of next May (they are going to Argentina afterwards). I would like to, first of all, confirm this info, I mean, if somebody knows that is it really planned some ELP tour to South America in May and, second, share this info with everybody that appreciate listening ELP's musics, like me. Thank you for your great job on keeping the digest "on air". Rogerio Mimessi - Brazil [ Editor's Note: I have heard from others, too, that an ELP show (or more than 1) is being advertised in South America. I have heard that ELP is considering a South American tour but I haven't heard anything definite yet. So, we'll keep our fingers crossed that it happens (and the the tour shows up in otherparts of the world, too)! ------------------------------ Digest, mailing address, and administrative stuff to: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com | +=> The same for now... ELP-related info that you | want to put in the digest to: arnold@dartmouth.coordinate.com Back issues are available from the World Wide Web ELP Home Page: URL: http://bliss.berkeley.edu/elp/ Note: The opinions, information, etc. contained in this digest are those of the original message sender listed in each message. They are not necessarily those of the mailing list/digest administrator or those of any institution through whose computers/networks this mail flows. Unless otherwise noted, the individual authors of each entry in the Digest are the copyright holders of that entry. Please respect that copyright and act accordingly. 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