ELP Digest Tuesday, 2 November 1999 Volume 9 : Issue 9 The "A Blade of Grass" Edition incorporating the Keith Emerson Birthday Edition and the ELP Digest Anniversary Edition Today's Topics: New KeithEmerson.com web site Keith Emerson's Christmas Album Another Palmer/Wetton date ELPoll update ELP footage on Japanese DVD News from AMP Records ELP Video and Information Manticore Special Re: The Nice "BBC Sessions" ELP concert closing music..... Question ELP's post-concert music & Emo's Christmas Album elp question (closing music) elp question (closing music) - part 2 Emerson's Top Twelve 1st Tues of the Month Char in AOL Tarkus Photographing at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame A lyric request Lyrics to Tiger in a Spotlight "On Tour with ELP" Italian historical prog bands are alive and well Re: ELP and Banco Smoke on the Hammond Prelude ======= Happy Birthday, Keith Emerson! Happy Anniversary, ELP Digest! It was 8 years ago today that I sent the Volume 1, Issue 1 of the ELP Digest. There were 5 postings in that original "Digest" and it was sent to about 10 people. The topics included... discussion of whether we'd ever see the release of the 3-album "Welcome Back..." set on CD (yes, we'd eventually see the entire ELP catalog released), whether we'd ever see the ELP California Jam performance on home video (we're still hoping), someone checking on the availability of Keith's Inferno on CD (still not that easy to find), etc. Anyway, we've made a lot of progress in the past 8 years. But some things remain the same. And I'm busier than ever and trying to come up with a schedule that satiates the ELP fan's hunger for all things ELP but that still lets me get done everything that I need to get done. As usual, it's a delicate balance. Thanks to all ELP Digest contributors and readers over the years for the encouragement and contributions. Though it launched a little early to qualify as a present from Keith to the fans (it went live in early August), I'm pleased to pass along the news that the www.keithemerson.com site has been redone. There are some new photos there and some exciting new additions. (Go to the "What's New" page.) My personal favorite is the addition of some Liquid Audio tracks. I was especially delighted to see not only the re-mastered Christmas album but the re-mastered Honky album! Anyway... Happy Birthday, Keith. And on with the show... - John - ------------------------------------------------------------ From: arnold@reluctant.com Date: Oct. 11, 1999 Subject: New KeithEmerson.com web site Keith Emerson has officially re-launched http://www.keithemerson.com I'd encourage you to take the time to check it out. In addition to a complete redesign of the site, the "store" is ramping up. My personal favorite new section is the link to the Liquid Audio clips from the newly remastered Christmas album and the newly remastered Honky album. And check it soon. I don't know how long they'll leave the "Happy Halloween" picture of Keith and "friend". Classic stuff. - John - ------------------------------ From: "Jared" , on 10/22/99 10:40 AM: To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: Keith Emerson's Christmas Album Wanted to let all of you know that Emo's site has been revamped and it looks a hell of alot better than it use to. Also, Keith has available the new Christmas Album containing some of his previous Christmas music with a few new items, and you can get an autographed copy as well. I just received mine and it is very well done, the music is great, the photos of Keith are very nice (I think he should make those available on his site as well, autographed, of course!), a nicer CD than the previous one. Mine came autographed and it is handsomely done! For you collectors out there, there is a few slight irregularities in the CD that might be of interest to those who enjoy these sort of things before Keefer gets it fixed, but otherwise it's fine album to have! Go out and buy it, hopefully he'll release his other albums through his new and improved site and we'll finally be able to get HONKY on CD! The show never ends... ------------------------------ From: "Impressions" , on 10/22/99 2:46 PM: To: "John Arnold" Subject: Another Palmer/Wetton date Here's another UK date for Qango - Carl Palmer and John Wetton: The Dome, Witley Bay (nr. Newcastle) 17th November 1999 Tel: (0191) 251 2800 Tickets cost £12.50 Liv ------------------------------ From: Melis Adriano , on 10/11/99 10:57 AM: To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: ELPoll update Hi John Update - update - update The ELPoll continues..... If someone wants to subvert the results, 5 names to my email address.... VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE voters: ONLY 34 Top entries: 15 Yes Not much a surprise 10 Pink Floyd Pinkedelia 8 Genesis ............. 7 Jethro Tull Magick flute 5 Nice Nice to see you 5 King Crimson A guy I know was in this band 5 Beatles Masters of pop 4 Rush A C-a-n-a-d-i-a-n band, at least.... (yes, I was wrong) 4 Led Zeppelin Hammer on the rocks 4 Gentle Giant Not only Dan Barrett will be pleased, me too 4 Deep Purple masters of rock 3 Premiata Forneria Marconi spaghetti prog 3 Moody Blues A moody presence 2 Frank Zappa American Composer 2 Rick Wakeman Honourable Companion 2 Pat Metheny American Guitarist 2 Uriah Heep Sometimes They Return 2 Triumvirat Ancient Rome Rules 2 They Might Be Giants 1 + 1 = Duo 2 Ten Years After ....No, 30 Years After 2 Steely Dan Luxury For Your Ears 2 Spock's Beard They Come from LA 2 King's X ----> I MUST listen to them....sooner or later 2 Kansas Country Prog 2 Hawkwind SpaceProgMetalTrance? Thanks to everyone Adriano ------------------------------ From: "David Seeley" , on 8/7/99 12:00 PM: To: Subject: ELP footage on Japanese DVD Greeting all, Just thought I would drop a quick note to let folks know about an interesting item that I very recently picked up on DVD. It is the Japanese pressing of 'Message to Love-The Isle of Wight Music Festival 1970' film. This is a fairly common video in most parts of the world and as many of you know it contains footage of ELP performing the last couple of minutes of Pictures at an Exhibition at what was their 'debut' live performance (the same concert which is available on CD from their official website). What makes the Japanese edition notable is the inclusion of 14 minutes of additional footage tacked onto the disc at the end of the main feature. These are additional songs that were not included in the standard edit of the film and include ELP's complete performance of Rondo A La Turk. So for those of you who have seen the Isle of Wight film and were disappointed by the meagre representation of ELP, you may find this edition a bit more interesting. If you haven't seen the film, I would highly recommend it. Aside from ELP the film contains some great performances by many of the top acts of the era and presents a fasinating and sometimes amusing glimpse of the backstage arguments and disasters of what turned out to be the last great outdoor music festival. The disc is distributed by Columbia Nippon and the catalogue number is COBY-90041. It is a region two/NTSC recording. Best Wishes David S. UK ------------------------------ From: Mike Branick , on 8/11/99 6:57 AM: To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: News from AMP Records John & Digest Readers, I just received this - moments after totality in Cornwall. No doubt others received the same post (I actually don't know how I got it), but for the sake of others who may not have seen it from another source, here it is... ______________________________ Forward Header ___________________________ Subject: News from AMP Records Author: ampmusic@ampmusic.demon.co.uk at EXTERNAL Date: 8/11/99 06:20 AMP RECORDS August 1999 News ---------------------------- THE MILLENNIUM'S GREATEST COMPILATION OF ELECTRONIC, PROGRESSIVE, EXPERIMENTAL AND AMBIENT MUSIC IS RELEASED!!! NEW, PREVIOUSLY UNHEARD TRACKS FROM; ------------------------------------ ISAO TOMITA KARL BARTOS (KRAFTWERK) RICK WAKEMAN (YES) KEITH EMERSON (ELP) PATRICK MORAZ (YES) LARRY FAST (SYNERGY) STEVE BALTES (ASH RA TEMPEL) RICHARD PINHAS (HELDON) WHITE NOISE...and many more!!! So READ ON if you're interested in Synthesizer, Experimental, New Age, or Progressive Rock music - if not, reply with UNSUBSCRIBE and we won't mail you again. Feel free to respond with your own news, views, or review material for our website. http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk "Music for the 3rd Millennium" on AMP Records is the ultimate collection of synthesizer, ambient dance, experimental and progressive rock music for the end of the century - featuring unreleased music from Isao Tomita, Keith Emerson (ELP), Rick Wakeman (Yes), Karl Bartos (Kraftwerk), Patrick Moraz (Yes), Synergy, Steve Jolliffe (Tangerine Dream), White Noise, MC Russell, Alquimia, Mark Jenkins, Steve Baltes (Ash Ra Tempel), Richard Pinhas (Heldon) and Neil Ardley (Zyklus). The album comprises "unreleased tracks celebrating the masters of electronic, ambient and progressive music - for this century, and on into the third millennium". The album was released at 11.11am BST on August 11th 1999, the moment of totality of the European Total Solar Eclipse, and is available in a limited numbered edition of 1,000 copies. Among the ground-breaking tracks included are the first ever CD release of the Kraftwerk composition "Tour De France" in its German language version recorded by Karl Bartos; an unreleased preview of Patrick Moraz' "Modular Symphony"; a previously unheard Larry Fast (Synergy) composition "Moon Caves"; a rare Isao Tomita unreleased track; and many pieces created specially for the compilation. "Music for the 3rd Millenium" was compiled by Mark Jenkins and is available from all good electronic music suppliers and direct from AMP Records. E-Mail; orders@ampmusic.demon.co.uk Catalogue; http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk.ampcd's.html --------------- Mike Branick Norman, OK, USA ------------------------------ From: "Kenneth Barrett" , on 10/20/99 7:13 PM: To: Subject: ELP Video and Information Hi Folks, Could anybody out there give me details of current ELP video`s, and any web addresses where I may obtain them. The BBC released a documentary about ELP in the early 70`s, if anybody has any details on this programme which was first viewed on BBC 2, please contact me. Thanks Ken Barrett Kentng@kbarrett.fsnet.co.uk [ Editor's Note: As you've probably read (above), there's some ELP on the Isle of Wight video called "Message To Love". The documentary is available from the www.emersonlakepalmer.com web site along with the Montreal concert video. Read on for a reader's view of the "Manticore documentary" video. - John - ] ------------------------------ From: "G.T. Tyson IV" , on 10/14/99 12:10 AM: To: ELP Digest Subject: Manticore Special Since I haven't seen much discussion on it here in the Digest, I'd like to throw my two cents worth in on The Manticore Special video. It's an excellent documentary but it was obviously shot on sixteen- millimeter film and the early 1970s film sound technology doesn't do justice to the concert segments. It includes scenes of ELP in their Manticore rehearsal hall, on stage during the European leg of the BSS tour, and goofing around in the dressing room. Keith flies his plane and shoots skeet, Greg catches a fish and (later) gets sick, forcing the cancellation of a show, and Carl plays the William Tell Overture on the kettledrums. The real heroes of the film turn out to be the band's road crew, who perform major feats of strength moving the show from town to town. It's a good look at the band during its peak years. VH-1 included some clips from this film during their recent "Where Are They Now?" segment. Does any film or video exist of The Nice? GTTysonIV Tarkus@skantech.com www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Palms/9689/index.htm ------------------------------ From: John Hughes , on 10/21/99 11:18 PM: To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Re: The Nice "BBC Sessions" I recently bought a CD entitled The Nice America - the BBC Sessions. Which is exactly as it says; recordings of the sessions made (and listened to by me back in the) late '60's. However, I was intrigued to note that despite the copyright notice for the BBC, and the legend "Released by arrangement with BBC Worldwide Ltd" it sounds for all the world as if it's a bootleg. It is definitely not howe I imagine a BBC soundboard recording sounds, it must be recorded directly off a radio - some of the tracks have the "dj's" intro's and outro's on! Nonetheless, it is a very nostalgic trip back to more innocent and fun days, and for only 12.99L (Pound sterling) a decent value package! Cheers, john ------------------------------ [ Editor's Note: Recently a number of people have gotten curious about the music ELP plays at the end of their concerts. Here's a sampling of people asking and/or answering. - John - ] From: "pjanowski" , on 10/26/99 11:44 PM: To: Subject: ELP concert closing music..... Does anyone know who composed the exit music at the end of an ELP concert?? I think it is called "Cathedral of The Saints" but I can't be sure- Can anyone help?? Paul Janowski psj@asapnet.net "It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it....." ------------------------------ From: "Takashi Seki" , on 10/30/99 10:01 PM: To: Subject: Question Hello, my name is Koji Seki. I'm a Japanies fan of EL&P till 1972. Please tell me the matter I don't know. "What title of orchestral tune that sounds at after paformance of RONDO (grandfinale of every EL&P's concert )?" Thank you. ------------------------------ From: Dollmanaj@aol.com, on 8/7/99 11:51 PM: To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: ELP's post-concert music & Emo's Christmas Album Hello! I was wondering if anyone could help me with the following questions: I noticed at ELP concerts in '97 and '98 that the music played over the P.A. system after the show is the track "Glorietta" from Keith's Christmas Album - a beautiful piece of music. Is there any special reason they chose this piece? Also - I noticed that the Gunslinger label is going to release "An already recorded Christmas album by Keith Emerson this coming holiday season". Are they referring to a NEW Christmas album or the one that's out already? If it's the one that is out already, are there any upgrades or extra tracks on it? If anyone knows, please let me know at Dollmanaj@aol.com thanks! John Dollman [ Editor's Note: The new www.keithemerson.com site has a link to some Liquid Audio previews and tracks from this album. It's been digitally remastered and seems to include tracks from both previous versions of this album. - John - ] ------------------------------ From: pathct@webtv.net (heidi schroeder), on 5/28/99 8:12 PM: To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: elp question (closing music) in responce to the question about elp's stage music... I believe it is from Ottorino Respighi's: Gli uccelli, the Birds ------------------------------ From: pathct@webtv.net (heidi schroeder), on 6/1/99 10:50 PM: To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: elp question (closing music) - part 2 I should have added to my previous email not only do they use Ottorino Respighi's Gli uccelli (the birds) but also Church Windows, St. Gregorio Magno (St. Gregory the Great). I hope I'm correct?? ------------------------------ From: "Lawless, Steven" , on 8/12/99 9:18 AM: To: "'John'" John: Thought the link below might be of interest to the newsletter readers. It has a nice bio of Keith, although there may be some errors, and it has an extensive discography. URL: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?UID=9:09:46|AM&p=amg&sql=B17314 Regards, Steven Lawless ------------------------------ From: "Robert Murray" , on 5/28/99 4:20 PM: To: "ELP Digest" , Subject: Emerson's Top Twelve In [a recent] edition of the ELP Digest, the message below was posted. I took the liberty of obtaining the said transcript and then HTML'd it. Here it is: http://www.ecs.uci.edu/rwm/elp/mytop12.html ...for anyone who wishes to read it. Cheers, Robert -- Robert W. Murray mailto:rwm@uci.edu http://www.ecs.uci.edu/rwm/elp/ >>> ------------------------------ >>> From: "Smith, Jim M." , on 5/6/99 9:29 PM: >>> To: "Elp Digest (E-mail)" >>> Subject: Emerson's Top Twelve >>> >>> Hi, folks, >>> >>> In April 15, 1999 issue of the digest, Steve Jones mentioned Keith >>> Emerson's appearance on the 1972 BBC Radio show "My Top Twelve." >>> >>> This was discussed on the elp-digest before, but that was a few years >>> ago, and I think that those of us who are interested in learning more >>> about Keith's musical background would find this interview (and Mr. >>> Emerson's selections) to be exceptionally informative. His musical >>> selections for the show were as follows: >>> >>> 1. "On The Rebound" by Floyd Cramer >>> 2. "Little Rock Getaway" by The Bob Crosby Orchestra >>> 3. "Rock Candy" by "Brother" Jack McDuff >>> 4. "Play Piano, Play" by Friedrich Gulda >>> 5. "The Spotted Cow" by Steeleye Span >>> 6. "Little Rootie Tootie" by Thelonius Monk >>> 7. "Lumpy Gravy" by Frank Zappa >>> 8. "October Harvest Festival" by Otterino Respighi >>> 9. (The Beatles') "Yesterday" performed by George Shearing >>> 10. (Scarlatti's) Sonata in D Major realized by Wendy (then Walter) Carlos >>> 11. "Song for the Bearded Lady" by Nucleus >>> 12. "Stealing" by Leo Kottke >>> >>> Let me know if you would like to read a transcript of the interview. >>> >>> All the Best, >>> >>> - Jim Smith >>> smithj@sr.hp.com >>> ------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: "Charlie Green" , on 5/30/99 1:56 AM: To: Subject: 1st Tues of the Month Char in AOL Hi Folks. Just want to let those who have an AOL account know that the 1st Tues of each month someone starts up a chat room typically named "ELP". It typically starts around 8ish EST. Unfortunately AOL chat rooms are proprietary, and are not accessible from the Internet. Hope to see some of you there.... Charlie ------------------------------ [ Editor's Note: A few people had recently asked about any interpretations of "Tarkus". Here's one response that nice and concise. - John - ] From: GenoTT@aol.com, on 6/2/99 9:08 PM: To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Tarkus I've always thought Tarkus was about a battle, and how pointless it turns out. "Clear the battlefield and let me see, all the profit from our victory.." Greg seems to be talking about the futility and waste of war and fighting in general. The armadillo (?) or whatever it is on the cover seems to be causing some senseless destruction throughout the pictures and at the end we're left with a sense of sadness that so much has been destroyed. This is just what I read into it.. any other thoughts? ------------------------------ From: Ian.Cate@Hitchcock.ORG (Ian Cate), on 8/6/99 8:19 AM: To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Photographing at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame --- Steve Barber wrote: >>> I am going to the Rock and Roll Hall of fame the day after thanksgiving, >>> and the only reason I even want to go is in hopes that Carl's stainless >>> steel drumset is there. >>> >>> Do any of you out there know whether or not it has been put on display >>> for certain as of yet? >>> >>> I plan on taking mega photos of this gem. --- end of quote --- You can't take pictures at the Hall of Fame...They say it ruins the displays... ------------------------------ From: "William K. Scurry, Jr." , on Date: 8/6/99 9:49 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: A lyric request Dear folks, Does anyone have a set of lyrics to "A Time and A Place?" The little bugger is a tough one to track down. Any help would be appreciated! William K. Scurry, Jr. ****************** Founder, Proprietor, "My Creation Productions" Featuring the Best in Publishing, Novelism, Scripting, Editing The Home of Maximmillian Hellbind... ****************** americancaesar@earthlink.net [ Editor's Note: "A Time and A Place" is in the now out-of-print sheet music book of Tarkus. When I get the time, I'll try to add the lyrics to the www.brain-salad.com lyrics page. But if someone already has them, please send them along to William and/or me. Thanks. - John - ] ------------------------------ From: Jason Sobol , on 5/28/99 4:53 PM: To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: Lyrics to Tiger in a Spotlight I have been and still am looking for the lyrics to Tiger in a Spotlight......I love the song but cant understand what Greg is saying in the 3rd verse.........and whom might I talk to about wanting to cover ELP tunes in a band and doing it legally?? Jason Sobol Founder/vocalist for East Side Imports (still lookin for musicians, hard rock/progressive band) Cleveland, Ohio ------------------------------ From: JonGTR1@aol.com, on 8/7/99 6:29 PM: To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: "On Tour with ELP" Hello, I've been listening to ELP since about 1973 and am always on the look out for interesting ELP stuff. Today at my local used record and CD store I found a very interesting album called 'On Tour with ELP' . It's a promotional copy of a radio interview from May 14, 1977 in Montreal. They were discussing the soon to begin Works Volume I tour. On it is a studio version of the orchestrated Bolero that is pretty cool. Are there any other ELP recordings out there like this. Thanks, Jon B. [ Editor's Note: I have a copy of that album that I picked up at a record swap many, many years ago. It was an album that was made to be released to radio stations who could intersperse their own announcing with an ELP "interview". The orchestral version of "Bolero" had been a rarity since, at the time, this was the only way to get it. More recently, I think it has shown up in other places. Still, it's a fun album. I don't know if there are other ELP "made for radio station" albums like it. - John - ] ------------------------------ From: Melis Adriano , on 8/6/99 2:51 PM: To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Italian historical prog bands are alive and well Dear all, Since Banco and PFM are linked by an ancient deal with ELP, I would like to tell you what happened some weeks ago in Sardinia... End of June.... One of my bandmates says "Oh, by the way, there's PFM live in Decimoputzu (a village of 5000 people or less) for free...." --- "!?!?!?!?!" - "Wow" "Great..." It was true. PFM, with four original members: Franz Di Cioccio on drums and centrestage singing and hopping (where all his energy comes from?), Franco Mussida on guitars and vocals, Patrick Djivas on fretless bass and Flavio Premoli on keyboards and vocals, with 3 younger, enthusiastic players (sax/flute, drums, guitar/violin), played live some beautiful songs from the 97 album "Ulisse" and many classics, including "la carroza di Hans, 4 holes in the ground and Celebration" with arrangements similar to those of the live album "www.pfmpfm.it" By the way, Franz is without a doubt still an unbelievable drummer, his solo was far better than the Palmer's one in the July 97 sardinian ELP show. Not to mention the other ones... What a show!! Is really a luck that PFM has reformed some years ago and that they keep on playing once per year in this (almost) forgotten island. 4 days after, Banco played live in Sedilo (a village smaller than Decimoputzu), for free (the committee that organizes the Sedilo annual horserace (similar in intensity and dangerosity to the Palio of Siena), called Ardia, has payed the fee for Banco). But, again, a great show. When we arrive in Sedilo, after 2hrs by car, Banco is sound checking in the main square of the village. They are bombing out of the speakers a classic one (maybe La conquista della Posizione Eretta), and disappear for two hours. About 10 pm, they begin and I am re-convinced (this is my 3rd banco show) that Vittorio Nocenzi is the sole keyboardist I put aside to Emo: listening him playing piano/hammond(sampled)/sinths is everytime a wonderful experience. The band is at the same height: the singer FRancesco di Giacomo is powerful and clean, Rodolfo Maltese on guitars and the guitarist, bassist, and drummer (can't remember their names) play Banco music at their best. So, more than two hours of wonderful music pass us by. If you ELP fans have the opportunity of being near a PFM or Banco show, (BTW Banco was in Mexico last May) go and listen to them, it's a joyful experience. If you are too far away, "PFM: 10 anni live" and "www.pfmpfm.it" for PFM and "Nudo" for Banco are excellent live albums that capture the energy these bands are able to give. well, that's all Enjoy Adriano -- +---------------------------------------------------------------+ | Adriano Melis e-mail: melis@cagliari.st.com | | CLASS Lab phone: +39 70 2103.262 | | iSTB Project Software Group fax: +39 70 2103.241 | |TECHSO SpA - Cagliari - ITALY | | | +--------------- M U S I C I S T H E B E S T --------------+ ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Gabor Kerenyi" , on 10/13/99 4:11 PM: To: Cc: Subject: Re: ELP and Banco Hi Bob and ELP digest readers, >I believe the Keith Emerson discovered an Italian band called Banco (The >Bank of Mutual Aid Society)? This was in the 70's and 80's. Do you... >Anyhow, if you know where I can find CD recording of this old band, I >would appreciate the tip. URL of the official Banco site is: http://www.geocities.com/~wstories/banco/indexeng.html I also have a midifile from Banco, called Evoluzione. Made by Francesco De Vincenzi. You can download it from "Other progressive midifiles" section of my home page. URL is in my signature. Cheers, Gabor KERENYI Dr. Szolnok, Hungary, Europe Email: kepenu@prins.externet.hu Http://korb1.sote.hu/korbinfo/phpages/kepenu/htdocs/midi.htm ------------------------------ From: Melis Adriano , on 4/16/99 11:03 AM: To: ELP digest Subject: Smoke on the Hammond Hi all Around the beginning of the '90s I saw on the former Italian all-music TV network VideoMusic (now it's called TMC2 and has become an almost mainstream commercial tv network) an all-stars band playing Deep Purple's "Smoke on the Water". The videoclip featured Keith Emerson playing an Hammond for a few bars. Does anyone know the story behind this? 1000 thanks Adriano [ Editor's Note: I recall that this was done as a "Live Aid" kind of thing to raise awareness and money for a charitable cause. I think the cause was for the victims of a ferry that sank in northern Europe but I've forgotten the details. At one time, I recall that the video you refer to was released (perhaps in Europe or Japan) but I've never been able to track it down. Nor have I ever seen it. But I'd like to. - John - ] ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Digest subscrition, mailing address, and administrative stuff to: elp-digest-request@reluctant.com ELP-related info that you want to put in the digest to: elp-digest@reluctant.com Back issues are available from the ELP Digest web site: URL: http://www.brain-salad.com/ Note: The opinions, information, etc. contained in this digest are those of the original message sender listed in each message. 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