ELP Digest Thursday, 2 November 2000 Volume 10 : Issue 4 The "Tank" Edition incorporating the Happy Birthday, Keith Emerson! edition and the ELP Digest 9th anniversary edition Today's Topics: Happy Birthday, Keith! ELP Book - "Emerson, Lake and Palmer: The Show That Never Ends" Album remixes ELP coming out on DVD-Audio ELP among first Warner DVD-audio releases Brain Salad on DVD audio? Re: ELP on DVD-A 6 Channel Lucky Man House Mix of Karn Evil 9 Sound Quality, ELP Works Live 'New' Elp Release Question Any (dis)recommandations of PM og Greg Lake's Official bootleg toccata Emerson @ Jack McDuff gig - from 1999 Tribute cd lyrics Re: ELP Digest V10 #3 Carl Palmer Drum Clinic--Edison,N.J. Carl Palmer Clinic Re: Carl Palmer drum clinic emerson featured in History of Hammond documentary Hello Sailor RE: ELP Digest V10 #3 Re: responding to Bernd Prott's posting in ELP Digest V10 #3 New ELP Digest reader writes... Rick Wakeman in Venezuela Raving review! BBC archive sessions and interviews + Noddy's Puncture gig review ELP, GREG LAKE, KEITH EMERSON, YES, ASIA CDS FOR SALE ELP again Crimson Swearing and the sheriff "the word shit" posted by Steve Barber "The Sheriff" Expletive RE: beginning of The Sheriff The "Sheriff Intro Question" Re: beginning of The Sheriff The Sheriff - intro Prelude ======= 9 years ago today, I sent out the first email called the "ELP Digest". That seems like a long time ago and, this year especially, I can hardly relate to the days when I had spare time at work (since almost no one had home email access back then) to edit the Digest. Perhaps we are now at a lull in the activities of Keith, Greg, and Carl. But Carl's recent drum clinics and the on-going promise of new works by Greg and/or Keith along with the continued discussion of and new formats for what is now "old" material keep my Inbox a remarkably active place. Thanks for all of you for your days/months/years of support and for helping us remember the ELP of the past and look forward to the ELP music (group and/or individual projects) of the future. - John - ------------------------------------------------------------ From: bjorn-are.davidsen@telenor.com [mailto:bjorn-are.davidsen@telenor.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 3:13 AM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Happy Birthday, Keith! Congrats with Nov 2nd, Keith! Warm and heartfelt thanks for all you've given us in the past - and a Garland of Martian Fire Flowers to help you keep the spirit in the future! I know that birthdays are a time to provide the celebrant with gifts, however as a Tolkien fan I also remember the opposite tradition from Bilbo's Eleventyfirst birthday. So perhaps it would be possible (as we're also close to home for another Joyfull Occasion (or Season)) to release something new - "whatever";-) I any case enjoy yourself - and keep up the good work! Sincerely yours Bjorn Are Davidsen - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The dignity of the artist lies in his duty of keeping awake the sense of wonder in the world. In this long vigil he often has to vary his methods of stimulation; but in this long vigil he is also himself striving against a continual tendency to sleep. - G.K. Chesterton - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ From: George Forrester [mailto:gf001@netgates.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:07 AM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: "Emerson, Lake and Palmer: The Show That Never Ends" Hi John! Please can you help promote our publication date and book launch by putting the following info on the ELP Digest site (and anywhere else you can!) - Thank you! "EMERSON, LAKE AND PALMER: THE SHOW THAT NEVER ENDS" The new book by George Forrester, Martyn Hanson and Frank Askew, "Emerson, Lake and Palmer: The Show That Never Ends" will be published on November 25th 2000, price L12.99 UK (paperback) and L20.00 UK (hardback). US price as yet unconfirmed. This is the same day as the book launch, which will take place at HELTER SKELTER BOOKS, 4 DENMARK STREET, LONDON WC2 (off Charing Cross Road). CARL PALMER will be present! - signing books wiith the authors, including copies of the HARDBACK NUMBERED LIMITED EDITION. This version will contain slightly different photographs from the generally available paperback edition. Only 500 copies of this hardback version will be made, and it will only be available from the publisher, HELTER SKELTER. Your first chance of getting copies of the hardback version (and the paperback) will be on the day of the launch, and judging by the number of enquiries we anticipate a lot of people buying copies of the hardback then - so if you want one, get one early on, because they'll go quickly! Please contact the publisher, HELTER SKELTER BOOKS (helter@skelter.demon.co.uk) to PRE-ORDER your copy (or copies! - great Christmas present!). Please tell them if you'll be coming to the launch - this will help them determine numbers. Visit http://members.theglobe.com/aluckyman/exp_fan1.html for updates. So come along to the launch of this, the first ever book about Emerson, Lake and Palmer, one of the finest bands ever that's ever walked the earth. We'll be there, we'll be there, we will be there! George Forrester, Martyn Hanson, Frank Askew. ------------------------------ [ Editor's Note: This message was in the backlog (sent back in May!) and seems especially prescient given the subsequent news (later in this Digest) that ELP will be featured on some of the first DVD-Audio disks.... - John - ] From: John Tunnicliffe [mailto:johntunnicliffe@netscape.net] Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 2:23 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Album remixes Hi John, Just a thought, any suggestions for ELP tracks to be released in 5.1 Dolby Digital. I think B.S.S is crying out to be in Dolby Digital (or DTS) and I believe Works 1 was originally mixed for Quad, as was the 1973 B.S.S tour in UK (well there was a Quad mix at the Liverpool Empire) Anyway if anyone has any ideas, it would be interesting to hear. John Tunnicliffe ------------------------------ From: Terry Carroll [mailto:carroll@tjc.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:25 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: ELP coming out on DVD-Audio >From a Variety story on Reuters at (This is a fair use extract -- see the URL for full story): Warner Music Group on Monday took the music industry's first step into the next generation of digital audiophilia: The label announced it will release seven albums in DVD audio format, a technology that offers audio resolution more than twice as accurate as that of a conventional CD. The first-ever DVD audio offering by a major label will include works by artists ranging from Beethoven and Ravel to Emerson, Lake & Palmer and Natalie Merchant. More titles will follow on a monthly basis. . . . Veteran audiophiles may find that the idea of using more than two channels of audio sounds suspiciously similar to 1970s-era "quadraphonic," or four-channel, sound utilized by bands like Pink Floyd and Emerson, Lake & Palmer. And from WMG's press release, at The first releases are: ... Brain Salad Surgery, by Emerson, Lake & Palmer ... -- Terry Carroll | "PRINTED ON RECYCLED PAPER" Santa Clara, CA | - Legend on PDF version of carroll@tjc.com | U.S. Copyright Office Form VA, at Modell delendus est | http://www.loc.gov/copyright/forms/formva.pdf ------------------------------ From: rhb [mailto:rhb@cisco.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 1:00 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: ELP among first Warner DVD-audio releases Full news release at: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20001003/en/music-warner_1.html and mentioned at http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents (or check http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa30.html archive for 10/03/00 posting). Now if only there'd be more DVD concert footage released! ------------------------------ From: bjorn-are.davidsen@telenor.com [mailto:bjorn-are.davidsen@telenor.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 3:42 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Brain Salad on DVD audio? Hello John - thanks for another Digest! Hope all is well and that its possible with a more regular output (I've got about the same wish for E, L and P;-) Anyhow, hot news in the biggest of Norway's SERIOUS newspapers, "Aftenposten", yesterday: "It seems Warner Music will be the first company to release albums in DVD format, called DVD Audio. The American Record Company plans to release nine albums for DVD in the beginning of November, among those Emerson, Lake & Palmer's "Brain Salad Surgery" and Stone Temple Pilot's "Core"." [...] And what excatly IS this thing called DVD Audio - the album released on DVD for better sound quality, or the album PLUS heaps of interviews, unreleased session material (I mean, kind of unfinished tracks like Beatles' "Anthology" series), "mix your own Brain Salad", concert videos clips, triva etc? [ Editor's Note: Bjorn Are answered his own question a few days later with this information... ] I've taken matters in my own competent hands and found the reference. "DVD Audio promises to provide greater quality sound (including Surround Sound) and significantly more playing time than conventional CDs." Which still leaves me somewhat puzzled as I'm a bit in doubt (though hoping, hoping, HOPING) about the amount of extra material on such a DVD. [... followed by ...] http://home.earthlink.net/~pjk/news.html Besides learning a great deal about the newest search engines, this has provided interesting info which (judgmental as I am) it surprises me no other on this list has been hunting for. Where is the seal, the gut, the burning desire of the True Fan? "Speaking of music in the surround format, Paul just completed the multichannel 5.1 surround remix of the classic "Brain Salad Surgery" by rock legends Emerson, Lake and Palmer. Also remixed in 5.1 was the original "Lucky Man", one of the all time classic English rock tracks from almost 30 years ago! The project is for one of the first DVD Audio releases from Warner Brothers/Rhino Records. The launch for the this exciting new DVD-Audio format is scheduled first quarter Y2K." Except for the last phrase, here may be a clue to what's coming: BSS + Lucky Man, in surround - well, its a start! Bjorn Are (not quite daring to hope;-) ------------------------------ From: timwolfe@us.ibm.com [mailto:timwolfe@us.ibm.com] Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 2:26 PM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Re: ELP Digest V10 #3 John, I've heard that ELP's "Brain Salad Surgery" classic will be one of the first DVD-AUDIO releases this november. DVD-A is supposed to be a major improvement in sound quality over CD and will also make use of the multi-channel surround capabilities of DVD. Please note: Of course, to truly appreciate the improvement in sound of these DVD-A discs you will need a DVD-Audio capable player. However, since most people have regular DVD players, there will be a DOLBY DIGITAL 5.1 surround version included on these discs. A good idea since there are only a few DVD-A players available and they aren't cheap! If done right...BSS in surround sound should be awesome! Tim Wolfe ******************************************* timwolfe@us.ibm.com ------------------------------ From: Mondello1@aol.com [mailto:Mondello1@aol.com] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 10:01 PM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: 6 Channel Lucky Man from the usually worthless Sound & Vision magazine, in a review of the newest technology DVD-Audio player, describing one of the tracks on the accompanying sampler disc: "The best of the lot was Emerson, Lake & Palmer's 'Lucky Man', a six channel /96kHz/24-bit recording from the band's classic Brain Salad Surgery (!). The vocals begin firmly planted in front, along with the electric guitars and drums. The acoustic guitars are sweetly panned to left and right rear, with a touch also in front. The chorus and backup vocals are panned all around. At one point, the lead vocals move around the quadrant following cadences in the lyrics, and the famous synth line swirls all around. I thought this was a fun, yet musically tasteful, use of surround sound." ------------------------------ From: Ken N. Dale [mailto:BikeMat@webtv.net] Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 3:01 PM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: House Mix of Karn Evil 9 Hi John, I thought maybe I had been kicked off your list as I hadn't recieved a digest in awhile. Nice to see the digest back. I bought a CD not to long ago that had an interesting song on it. It had ELP's Karn Evil 9 on it only with a house mix in it. The CD is called Sounds of a Synthetic Future electro dance 2. This verson may not be for everyone, but I liked it. Just thought I'd pass this on. ken mathis keep yer tires on the street and yer butt on the seat.:-) ------------------------------ From: MACglon@cs.com [mailto:MACglon@cs.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 9:57 AM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Sound Quality, ELP Works Live Hi, ELP fans everywhere... In case anyone out there has ever wondered why the ELP Works Live album is inconsistent in its sound quality, I might be able to shed some light: I picked up an issue of Contemporary Keyboard magazine back during 1980, featuring an interview with Keith Emerson. I'll quote directly from The Man: "...we had a lot of problems in getting the live album [ In Concert ] done...the twenty-four track broke down, and a lot of those mixes were from 2-track masters combined with the sound track from the videotape..." For the benefit of any non-musicians, he was talking about a "reference" tape typically done out at the sound board ( almost certainly an open reel deck at the time ). It would have probably been connected to record the PA feed "house mix". Since virtually all concerts are ---or at least were---mixed in monaural thru the main PA speakers, this would explain why most of the ELP tracks are predominantly mono ( although the orchestra was panned left and right in stereo ). He would have had to splice in sections from the audio track of the videotape to fill in gaps where the reel tape ran out, as they weren't prepared to record the show at the board! Obviously some tracks such as Peter Gunn, Tiger, Enemy God, etc were done with a multi-track machine...they were also NOT done at Montreal Stadium, contrary to the album's liner notes. Apparently these were done at Wheeling, West Va ( least according to the King Biscuit ELP release ). That also leads me to believe that the show was recorded in its entirety ( does anybody know whether it was videotaped as well? ). I can't be the only avid fan yearning for '77 live versions of Tarkus, Hoedown, Nutrocker, and of course Karn Evil 9 1st Imp Pt 2...knowing these unreleased tapes exist is no small source of frustration! Anyone old enough to have seen ELP in '77 sans orchestra will remember that they began the first set with Peter Gunn, sliding right into Hoedown...if you listen to Peter on the Works Live CD, you can hear the first strain of Hoedown at the end of Gunn, before it rapidly falls off ( more apparent under headphones ). Perhaps if we all launched a massive E-mail/Snail mail campaign, we could see the release of the Wheeling show in its entirety...hope springs eternal! ------------------------------ From: Scott Bassin [mailto:sbassin@rockland.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 10:39 AM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: New Elp Release Question Hi John: I wanted to see if you knew anything about this title as CD Xpress has it as an official release? Here's my email to CD Xpress E L P : Arena di Verona > > Live 26/9/1992 > > Karn evil 9 (pt 2) / from the begining / lucky man / romeo & juliet / > > pirates / > > picture at an exhibition pt 1 and pt 2 / fanfare for common man / > > america / rondo 69 . Official release in Italy from Minotauro records Pavia, we are out of stock at present expect more in from abroad within 2 weeks Cdxpress. Thanks Scott Bassin [ Editor's Note: This certainly isn't a US release but perhaps our European readers may know if it was an official release in Italy. - John - ] ------------------------------ From: Rene Laursen [mailto:r.laursen@get2net.dk] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 5:37 PM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Any (dis)recommandations of PM og Greg Lake's Official bootleg I don't know if it's worth posting this qustion to the Digest as it seems it never get's on its feet again !? Perhaps we are are better served with a free un-edited subscription.list where we get the postings as they are posted !????? But anyway I haven't anywhere else to put my question and I hope that John will have time to take up the Digest again !. [ Editor's Note: I'm hoping to add a threaded discussion forum to the ELP Digest web site in the next few months. I just need to verify that I can get the scripts running at the hosting service I use (and actually pay for). - John - ] My question is: Has someone any recommandations (or the opposite) of Carl Palmer's PM or Greg Lake's From the underground: The Official Greg Lake bootleg ??? Rene Laursen ------------------------------ From: Kristian Lyngver [mailto:Kristian.Lyngver@c2i.net] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 9:52 AM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: toccata Hello Do you know where I can get the original-music that E.L.P.based "Toccata" on? Best regards Kristian Lyngvar Norway [ Editor's Note: I'd check with a classical music-oriented store that caters to the orchestral community and have them look up Ginastera. I think it may be available from Boosey & Hawkes. Any readers know the exact details? - John - ] ------------------------------ From: Mike Kahrs [mailto:mikekahrs@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 11:17 PM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Emerson @ Jack McDuff gig - from 1999 Here's a post of mine from a year ago that I just re-discovered. It may still be interesting to some. From: Mike Kahrs, 71443,427 To: HamTech posts, INTERNET:HAMTECH@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM Cc: HamPlay posts, INTERNET:hamplay@zk3.dec.com Date: Sat, Sep 4, 1999, 12:22 PM RE: Review: Jack McDuff @ W. C. Jazz Party Gang, Jack McDuff led a quintet last night at the West Coast Jazz Party in Irvine, Ca. Besides Jack, the band consisted of Ron Eschete on guitar (7 string), Conte Candoli and Red Holloway on horns with Paul Kreibich on drums. I was lucky enough to get the rental, so I hauled in my favorite B-3/2x122 rig. A couple of things I remember most. First, during the soundcheck the band played so softly that the players could carry on conversations during the songs. Partly they were discussing the tunes and partly they were catching up on each other and cracking jokes. McDuff's left hand, along with the drums and guitar, were so in the pocket that I think any old sax player would have sounded good with them. The best part was during the show, though. About the second song, a guy walks backstage who just helped me line up a three day rental for Larry Golding at "Steamers" in Fullerton. Well, this guy is there with Keith Emerson. After my face gets back to normal we all proceed to watch the show. It turns out that Emerson is a big fan (he paid to get in!) and watched the proceedings very intently. I was so glad, as some of my rocker customers are so clueless. I got a kick out of Emerson bopping along to Walking The Dog, Ready 'N Able and the other tunes they played. During the soundcheck Jack had the B-3 on soft with the swell pedal down hard and before the performance I was dying to ask him if he realized it but I kept my mouth shut. Good thing, because during the show he flipped the switch and gassed it and the organ went from sounding good to sounding great. Clones are fine in certain situations, I guess, but not in this one. The edge that the B-3 puts on the sound with the pedal down hard and 888878778 selected is awsome. Anyway, McDuff played a combination of ballads and up-tempo stuff and it was great. Every ten minutes or so McDuff would play some really tasty lick followed by a shout from Emerson. After the show Jack stayed around for a half-hour at least and talked to Emerson, Paul Humphrey and others while I did my labor of love. Jazz meets rock here on the west coast. Mike Kahrs -- Mike Kahrs http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MikeKahrsKeyboards/ 714-870-6716 Office - try here first! 714-328-5274 Cell 714-870-5631 Fax (office) 714-743-5274 other Cell 714-507-3806x1476 Onebox.com (mobile FAX) 714-308-5274 another Cell ------------------------------ From: Mike Florio [mailto:mike@micro-point.com] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 3:10 PM To: arnold@reluctant.com Subject: Tribute cd lyrics The last two verses are interchanged. I keep thinking that this might have been a deliberate 'in-joke', since Lake was known for mixing up verses from time to time ! Also on that cd, the song sung by Robert Berry simply has the WRONG lyric: "warning to spare" instead of "hour to spare" in KE9 1st Imp. >I don't know about the different lyrics to the Sheriff on the tribute CD. >I'll file your question to be put in a future Digest to see if other >readers know. Mike ------------------------------ From: cheryl hudson [mailto:clhudson@micron.net] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 11:45 PM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Re: ELP Digest V10 #3 In response to Prott Bernd's comment about "Was Emo really playing that fast?". I just want to know, do you or have you ever played an instrument, especially piano or keyboards? Have you ever had carpal tunnel? I have played piano most of my life and I am not a youngster. I developed carpal tunnel so bad that I had to stop playing piano for 4 years. I tried practicing and ignoring the pain, playing with wrist braces on, playing after packing my wrists in ice till they were numb. I finally couldn't take the pain of what felt like the nerve in my wrists were pinched in a vise grip and couldn't play piano, knit, crochet or type for 4 years. I hold the highest regard for Emerson being able to bounce back after his carpal tunnel because it has been one of the most frustrating things I have ever tried to do - to relearn what I have spent most of my life, 3/4 of my life learning. Because I don't have the time I had when originally learning what I knew It's extremely frustrating especially to my neighbors since I don't want to even play until midnight. When I warm up, always, I have played Beethoven and pieces like Bridge over Trouble Waters that sound jazzed and fast. It's just a pitfall of using the most familiar pieces to warm up on and playing them as fast as you can. It's fun and invigorating. The downfall is you tend to start playing them at a faster pace than they were meant to be played, They are still an art and an expression of emotion. In Emo's case, Talent!. He is the best keyboardest I have ever listened too even when it's played faster than what we are use to hearing. Afterall, He wrote it, so who is to say he can't change it! It's his music and belongs to him! He has the right to play it anyway he wants too and who has the right to contradict him? I don't! Do you? [ Editor's Note: Though the argument remains the same, I think if you check back through the history of Keith's arm trouble, he had problems with an ulnar nerve in his right arm that led to surgery. I think Carl may have had carpal tunnel problems, though. - John - ] ------------------------------ From: Ejsjmskss@aol.com [mailto:Ejsjmskss@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 7:01 AM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: Carl Palmer Drum Clinic--Edison,N.J. Hi John, I,along with at least 200 other fans,packed the Sam Ash music store in Edison,N.J on October 3rd for CP's clinic. As we entered the store BSS was playing,firing up the crowd. After being introduced by Jack, the Paiste rep accompanying him on the tour, Carl began with a short personal history of himself and his career. Afterwards he did demonstrations of snare, hi hat as well as various techniques. His sense of humor was in great form as well. While he demonstrated the proper way of holding sticks he joked that drummers hold their sticks that particular way only when they are on the cover of Modern Drummer. In between demonstrations, CP took questions from the audience.Some items of note; ELP did in fact play Trilogy live. The song was played a few times during a European tour. Carl was asked by Neil Peart to play on the Buddy Rich tribute but due to a conflict at the the time with the Rich family it didn't happen. On his upcoming anthology, which will be released by Rhino, it will contain his 1977 Concerto For Percussion as well as Carl sitting in with the Buddy Rich Band at Ronnie Scott's. Carl did not mention the date of the recording. Ater the clinic,Carl chatted with the fans and signed autographs. I concur with the fans who reviewed the clinic in K.C.-Carl is not only the greatest drummer but very friendly,great with an audience and very humble in spite of his fame.Lastly, in regards to ELP he gave the same reply;''Never Say Never''. Regards, Ed Stoerger ------------------------------ From: Karen Stober/Piscataway/IBM [mailto:kstober@us.ibm.com] Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 8:40 AM To: karen1@idt.net Subject: Carl Palmer Clinic Sam Ash in Edison, NJ hosted a most energetic performance by THE man himself, Carl Palmer, October 3, 2000 @ 8:30PM. Carl was setting up his big Remo/Paiste kit when I got there about 6:30. Just watched. Met a number of people I knew - G'day Marky & Ray! Carl Palmer drumsticks and Pro-Mark stickers were thrown into the audience by the rep from Paiste. They were not the Carl Palmer signature 25th anniversary ELP sticks sold a couple of years ago. They were just the plain old CP signature sticks. Carl showed us grips, high hat, snare work, double bass drum work, how he places his heel and toe on the pedal, and some really showy things like swinging his stick vertically in an arc up and down, rolling, rapping all over except the top of the snare, his gorgeous gold custom "2002" snare. He had the black Remo double bass drum set. Quite a few cymbals with little caps and things on top of them. He has what looked like a large drumpad that he played like a tambourine. He also demonstrated using a large practice pad on top of the snare. He was in a market in Africa last week and watched a couple of rather "high" percussionists perform. So he duplicated their routine on his drumset. It was very hot, and not just temperature wise. Carl, dressed in a tight sleeveless black outfit and glistening with sweat, has a body like Billy Banks in a Tai Bo video. Yes, he did a little bit very familiar from ELP solos but he did not take his shirt off. Carl is such a little guy. He said he has to keep more of his foot on the pedal because he is so small and doesn't have the weight of some drummers. He needs the extra heel length on the bass drum pedals. Carl no longer does Karate but fences. His doctor told him it was the Karate punches that damaged his knuckles especially and gave him Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. He explained what happened, showing us where the surgery sliced through two tendons at his right wrist. He was much better after that. Carl swims over a thousand meters? a day. He has never smoked cigarettes but has tried a few other things. He said back around 1982 he had his lungs xrayed. They found a spot which turned out to be a hematoma and not cancer. Smoke really hurts the spot, especially since it was biopsied. Carl also doesn't eat before a performance. Someone offered him pizza before a clinic the day before and he turned it down. Said it would make him VERY (snickers) unpleasant to be even near. Carl told us all about what it's like to work with Keith and Greg. How Greg gets a bit on the balky side after a few drinks. Did an impression of a slightly inebriated Greg Lake. Told us how Keith never really finishes anything. I don't recall him giving any specific examples. How Keith recycles stuff. A rejected "riff" would turn up at a session a month or two later. How Keith sneaks things in. And a couple of funny little Emo impressions. How he will tour with his own band, "Palmer", next year - his guitarist has bright green hair and I think he said he was Scottish or Irish, but ELP may be back a year or two later, but who knows? Carl added that he enjoys working with a guitarist. Several ELP pieces, I think he said "Hoedown" or "Nutrocker", have had Keith's parts re-written for his guitarist. His favorite bass player to work with is John Wetton. Greg Lake works well with drummers because he is the best for backing them up. Always locks right into the drummer's beat. Carl also spoke of Charlie Watts, Bill Bruford, Ian Paice, Ringo Starr, Keith Moon, John Bonham and several other drummers. How he was good friends with John because they lived in the same town, but kept farther away from him after 1968 because John was so into the drug scene. Carl spoke about the different drum sets he owned. How Ringo Starr has the steel set with an agreement that Ringo never sells it and Carl can have it back whenever he wants it. Ringo bought it for son Zack to play but neither realized it was SO heavy. Carl also spoke of his forthcoming anthology, Jimi Hendrix/HELP, Mitch Mitchell, "Trilogy" performed on the live Germany tour back around 1972 or 1973, the box of bootlegs he just got, a performance of him as a young teenager at a club that a fan gave him on tape of and will be on his anthology, drummers he'd like to work with and The Burning For Buddy Rich memorial fallout. Carl is tired of jazz and doesn't like the current pop scene. The drumwork on pop stuff is very simple and he thinks quite a bit may even be sampled. He's begun to listen to a lot of progressive rock lately. The band is called "Estonia". Carl used to work in his Dad's business one day a week to make money to buy drums. He would practice the rest of the week. How he started on violin but kept hitting it with the bow. In the past, he even played his cymbal with a violin bow. The cymbal was rigged so it would rise and fall. "If Jimmy page can do it, why can't I?". How it is so much harder for bands to get a start nowadays. Much more expensive and formatted. Bands used to enjoy American radio because it was free form until around 1980. Then it became heavily formatted just like English radio. Carl also finds the corporate rock scene, as it was with "Asia", very distasteful and does not want to go through that again. The only time Carl got hurt during a performance was with ELP in 1977 in Normal, Illinois. He fell into the pit at the end of a performance. Emo's grand piano rises out of the pit so Keith could do "Nutrocker". Carl lost his balance, being quite tired after a performance, fell into the pit, slid down the raised lid of the piano, banged off the edge of the stage I think, and was caught by a crewman. After the encore, he went to the hospital. He had a broken rib. His recount of the entire episode was pretty funny. Carl had a little contest. Win Paiste mugs. So he played three short pieces. I, like most of audience said "Tank", for the first one. NO! It was from "Tarkus" and my friend Ray won the first mug. Two more Carl played. I didn't try this time. Guess what? They were both from "Tank". Carl's daughter is 17 and dad, mom and kid are looking at six colleges in England. She wants to be a forensic scientist/pathologist. Carl, sounding a bit sad, said she is not a very good drummer. She also tried another instrument and was not too good. He then said "She is a good actress, but, then so are a lot of women". With that comment, he ducked and laughed. Carl explained the English education system and how he never did well enough on the tests to go to college. Carl practices when he can. He keeps a high hat in his kitchen. "I'm hungry" he said, and tapped lightly, then "I'M REALLY HUNGRY" and blasted on it. A good laugh was had from that. Quite a few instruments he plays are rather very expensive and custom made. He joked about "gotta spend that money somewhere, you know". Carl says he plays so fast because he drinks A LOT of coffee. Lots of photo ops and autographs to be had. Carl signed my Japanese Emerson autograph book - now I've all three ELP'rs there! - "To Karen Regards, Carl Palmer 2000" and my mint condition - still sealed but not anymore - 8" reel to reel of Asia's first album, "To Karen Carl Palmer XXX". Cheers Karen E. Stober karen1@mail.idt.net http://idt.net/~karen1/ ------------------------------ From: bjorn-are.davidsen@telenor.com [mailto:bjorn-are.davidsen@telenor.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 5:16 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Re: Carl Palmer drum clinic Thank you, Karen, for a GREAT review of the CPDC! Hm... "Keith never finishes anything", hm... Any examples? Explains a lot, though... Bjorn Are ------------------------------ From: DUMMER1997@aol.com [mailto:DUMMER1997@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 4:59 PM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: emerson featured in History of Hammond documentary Broadcast by BBC Radio two on Oct.7th. Hammond. A Vital Organ. featured many exponents of the sacred Hammond. Keith was featured discussing the America single by the Nice and how he set light to the US flag at the Albert Hall. Most enlightening was his recollection that the actor Warren Michell (Alf Garnett) provided Keith with the lighter!! and as they left the venue they found out on the band bus via radio Luxembourg that they had been banned from The RAH. Keith's grandmother was in the audience and was amazed that a stunned silence greeted the end of the Nice's show. Sadly no mention was made of Keith's use of the hammond with ELP. But considering as the presenter of this documentary was John Walters, the man who advised DJ John Peel not to play ELP records during the early 70's, this was hardly surprising. ------------------------------ From: John Wraga [mailto:JohnW@ilx.com] Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 12:35 PM To: 'elp-digest-web@reluctant.com' Subject: Hello Sailor Does anyone know if "Bach before the Mast" exists in sheet music form? I can't find it anywhere. Thanks John ------------------------------ From: Gideon Morley [mailto:gideon_morley@thefreeinternet.co.uk] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 2:29 PM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: RE: ELP Digest V10 #3 Hello John, What an excellent newsletter you have put together, please keep it up. I agree with Berndt Prot, It is a shame that Keith Emerson doesn't release more material like other oldies such as Camel, Caravan and Rickwakeman. If anyone wants to try a new band that do ELP proud, then you might want to listen to GLASS HAMMER album called Chronometree. It really is very good. Thanks for sending the digest to me. all the best Gideon Morley ------------------------------ From: Mark Glinsky [mailto:mglnsky@magicnet.net] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 2:18 PM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Cc: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Re: responding to Bernd Prott's posting in ELP Digest V10 #3 [ responding to Bernd Prott's posting in ELP Digest V10 #3 ] Actually Prott, I'm surprised you apparently aren't aware of the arm and elbow problems Keith experienced in the early 1990's, requiring surgery and extensive therapy. This accounts for the difficulty he has in fully utilizing his 4th and 5th fingers on his right hand. He has done trememdous work in overcoming this challenge - and even at 80-90% of his old capabilities, he's head and shoulders over most keyboardists out there. >If ELP is history, ok I can live with that but please Keith don't hide NEW >great music from your fans. I don't need anymore guest appearances with >Fanfare , I honestly don't expect anything great from that Emo-Wakeman >project. I would love to listen to new Emerson written musical challenges >like the once produced in the past (e.g. Eruption, Toccata, or 3-Fates...). >Preferrably with his old buddys Carl and Greg but Keith, PLEASE if that is >not possible, go out an get yourself some hungry, progressive musicians and >produce new thrilling music under your own name. It's neither the time to >retire nor the time to go on farewell tours with music from the good old days. Well, here again, reality must raise its ugly head. Keith does play live in his home area (Santa Monica) with young progressive musicians, playing as a group called "Aliens of Extraordinary Ability". Reviews of their shows that I've read have been quite laudatory. It was Greg's decision to leave ELP, throwing a tantrum over not being producer of the new album. In the meantime, Keith (at least) has to make a living. And the sad truth is that American record companies, at least, are not interested in promoting music of challenging compositional and virtuostic playing skills. And apparently the majority of the listening public is not capable of appreciating that type of music anyway. The popularity of "artists" with only a milligram of musical ability such as Eminem and Sean "Puffy" Combs illustrates that pretty convincingly. So Keith must capitalize on those outlets which people will pay to come see him at - in this case, revisiting those songs that people are most familiar with, or teaming with other revered progressive artists, such as Wakeman. The good thing is that the last time I talked to Keith and Will Alexander, they seemed to be very optimistic that they had lots of things on their plates to look forward to. The question will be, how wide a distribution will these efforts receive? ------------------------------ From: r-r-simon@webtv.net [mailto:r-r-simon@webtv.net] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 10:17 PM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Cc: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: New ELP Digest reader writes... To all ELP Fans, I just recently got on line, and it was the best thing I ever did. Why?. Because I found a gathering of ELP Fans, and just because of that it made it all worth while, I`ve tried to contact ELP`s management for years and ran into dead ends. I finally was able to contact someone from an address off of the Black Moon CD, and I had a address to write someone in care of ELP. But just got a catalog, but I was still excited. I wrote many times in regards to ELP having a fan organization somewhere but no luck. Then when I got on line, ELP was my first web search. Let me tell you, It was like finding a way home. I am a 47 year old man, and I still remember the first time I heard Luck MAN, it was magic. Before that I was a Hendrix`s fan, and Grand Funk Railroad, but ELP moved Instantly to my number one spot. I could listen to them for hours, and drove my local music store crazy asking about their latest release. I had to listen to ELP by myself, my friends didn`t share my new interest in this new music. My parents passed away while I was in my teens, and it was just me. I was an accomplished drummer, but after hearing ELP I switched to keyboards, I went to my local music store and ask about buying a synthesizer, I was floored when he told me how much one would cost, even selling my Sears Silvertone organ and drums I could not even come close to buying one. Now this was before the MiniMoog. I moved to South Dakota in the early 70`s just before Brain Salad Surgery, Before that I lived in Indianapolis Ind. Well these people up here never heard of ELP, and Playing their music was a no no, man this is hicksville. Well the synth`s were coming down in price, but still out of my price range. But all along I continued to listen to ELP and followed their tours as much as I could. Once they were in Minnesota and I came so close to seeing them, I was truly heartbroken. I tried to find Buttons, Patches, anything that had ELP logo on it, but nothing. Music has always been an important part of my life, but I had no one to share it with, especially ELP. I longed to converse with someone who shared an interest in ELP, I have so much to say. Well it was 1980, and I got my first synth, talk about a child and his toy, it took me 3 months to get the feel of it and I was creating sounds. I tried to find other musicians who were maybe influenced by ELP, but no way, C&W here. There isn`t one ELP song that I don`t like, some better than others, but to much of my life there is an ELP song I can relate to for much of it, ELP is beyond what words can describe, there is nothing musical that can compare to their talents. Mr Emerson, if I could only understand his ability, courage, and endurance, I feel I could be a better musician, I don`t know if I can say anything that hasn`t been already said about them, other than they were meant to change music history, and I am thankful to have been around to enjoy them, my only regrets are just one, not being able to have ever see them in concert, it was my only true wish for myself in my life. I have had the pleasure to have seen them on video and tv, but to all of you who have seen them in person, I envy you, but in a good way, you have been fortunate. I can some what relate to Mr. Emerson, I have had two carpal tunnel operations, for awhile it`s like it`s not your hand, and I nearly gave up, but Mr Emerson didn`t. so I am back at it. To all, it is like being in a dream to find you all, for awhile I thought I would never be in touch with any ELP Fan`s, and now, here you are. A blessing to all of you, especially the young ones, ELP are the best. After my last heart surgery in march, I feel now a part of my life is complete, I have made contact with others who share one special thing, ELP. I`m sorry if I have broken any rules of this wonderful web-site, or its protocol, please inform me if I have, I feel I know all of you in some way, there is so much I want to experience from all of you. There is so much of ELP that I have missed because of my location, I hope you can fill me in. To any people in SD who are ELP fan`s, no offence, sorry we never met earlier. To thoses who have created this web site, I take my hat off to you, you have done a wonderful job here, and to all other ELP web sites, ELP FOR-EVER Robert R Simon Believe in Magic and life will be Magical, Believe in Miracles and life will be Miraculous, Believe in Nothing and life will be Empty, ------------------------------ From: carlos_lopez_1@ucab.edu.ve [mailto:carlos_lopez_1@ucab.edu.ve] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 12:06 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Rick Wakeman in Venezuela Hello! I'm writing from the land of the 2nd OPEC world's Members Conference and four Miss Universe winners! And to top it off, Mr. Rick Wakeman and his band really rocked the house! -not just in Caracas, but in Valencia as well! Since I really enjoyed the experience and concluded that there was enough people to make profitable concerts in two cities, I'd like to tell you that an Emerson show could be made in Venezuela with similarly succesfull results. I was half-expecting a new-age-style show, but Rick was very energetic and wild on stage; and he even took aaaawesome solos using the old Minimoog! In some parts of the show, Adam Wakeman (Rick's son), Ant Glynne (guitar) and Rick himself were jamming simultaneously from the fifth row, offstage, among the fans! and the rest of the band (Roy Pomeroy, bass; Demian Wilson, Voice; and Antonio Fernandez, drums)gave us a first-hand evidence of what a great show should be. It was a dream come true for the fans in Latin America who have been waiting 30 years for a show like that. (I have to admit that I started screaming as those Backstreet Boys fans do when Rick appeared onstage with the all white outfits...) According to a interview Rick did on the Venezuelan TV, the songs were selected via e-mails received at his website (www.rwcc.com), where fans wrote which songs would like to hear in the tour, so it was like a "Greatest Hits Tour" that was heavily based on "Six Wives of Henry VIII", "Journey to the Centre of the Earth", "Myths and Legends of King Arthur..." and more contemporary stuff. That said, it was refreshing to hear the excellent work Ant Glynne did with his Gibson-Marshall rig to add some heavy-rock feel to an already impressive set of songs. That said, I'm really eager to attend an Emerson show, because I know he needs no guitars to rock the crowd (sorry, Rick!) and I can tell you that there are lots of new, "converted" fans since this concert. Those of you that have seen ELP, YES or other greats live are very fortunate, since it seems we dont't have that privilege but once every 30 years... Have fun and keep the music playing, boys... ---------------------------------------- Carlos Alexander Lopez Salgado Email: carlos_lopez_1@ucab.edu.ve Universidad Catolica Andres Bello ------------------------------ [ Editor's Note: Leave to Bjorn Are to find a good review of Love Beach to brighten the day. Certainly a change of pace from the Rolling Stone review at the time that, as I recall, was really nasty. Since the URL wraps, you may have to paste the 2 pieces into your browser to get to the Love Beach review correctly. - John - ] From: bjorn-are.davidsen@telenor.com [mailto:bjorn-are.davidsen@telenor.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 4:52 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Raving review! http://www.billboard.com/reviews/afreviewdisplay.asp?artist=EMERSON%2C+LAKE +%26+PALMER+&title=Love+Beach Hm, seems I have to get this one... Bjorn Are ------------------------------ From: RockOnRadio [mailto:mail@rockonradio.co.uk] Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 6:53 AM To: ELP DIGEST (John Arnold) Subject: BBC archive sessions and interviews + Calling ELP Digest readers who would enjoy hearing via BBC radio (or the 'net) archive sessions and interviews (recorded 1970 - date) by ELP, King Crimson + many other musicians? Also current interviews, CDs and maybe some radio presented by the guys? I have for a couple of years been debating such issues with controllers, producers and presenters at BBC radio. Very few people take the trouble to influence radio broadcasters. Often the reticence is because it's not fully realised the BBC, as a publicly-funded facility, does adjust services according to majority opinion. Want to get involved? Or ask friends of your's who live in the UK & enjoy any kind of Rock music (you're welcome to forward this post to them). I'm currently very involved with encouraging people to debate : 1) Whether or not the government's Department of Culture, Media & Sport should allow the BBC to launch their proposed digital (+ Internet) radio service for archive sessions & interviews (1970-date) + urging emphasis on rock, more than pop by NOW expressing positive enthusiasm suitably. Deadline for submissions looms... 2) Seeking a Radio 2 rock show. I'm told the only hold-up is a curious belief women wouldn't enjoy this - I would! What about you & your female friends? Please urge them to join in (via snail-mail, if without 'net access). Both projects would certainly help musicians such as Yes, King Crimson, Led Zep & early Genesis members + new talent. The idea is also to feature some musicians as "presenters" - useful fees for Rick Wakeman, maybe?! Useful performance fees, also, for numerous song-writers whose archive sessions are repeated. Helpful publicity for tours & releases current at time of being on Radio 1.5 (working title) + Radio 2's rock show. To help, please visit the BBC Radio 2 website http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/ ~ select Message Boards, from near the top right-hand corner, there. Then select "Radio 2", and see the thread titled "Rock show needed for Radio 2". My comments there are repeated at the end of this post, giving you a chance to think about responses you may wish to word-process whilst offline, then connect & paste them onto the board. Note ~ it's necessary to register before making your first ever posting. Posts must not include email addresses or website URLs. (The site also enables people to tune-in, world-wide, to Radio 2.) Another way to help is to join RockOnRadio, the debating facility I manage. Messages can be instantly posted & read at http://www.egroups.com/group/rockonradio Digests are also available via email (just ask me to include you). + I'm building up pages at ProgressForum http://www.geocities.com/progressforum/ror.html including various BBC statements, enthusiasts' features, etc. Thanks so much if you join in, via either avenue! Tiz Tizwin.Hay@rockonradio.co.uk ~ SEE BELOW 1st post to BBC Radio 2 message board, Oct 5, 2000 : Subject : Rock show needed for Radio 2 What is your opinion, for or against, Radio Two adding a rock music show to its ever-improving schedules? Rock enthusiasts have, for 7 years, not had any BBC national radio show, apart from Radio 1's nocturnal Thrash & Death Metal show. Many BBC licence payers wish to hear music by Led Zeppelin, Yes, King Crimson, Genesis, Marillion, Porcupine Tree, and so on. When would you like to hear a rock show? Monday evenings (approx 10 o'clock) is a common suggestion for a Radio 2 rock slot. Saturday & Friday evenings are less suitable, because that's when gig-going most often occupies Rock fans! Likewise musicians are more available for live interview on Monday evenings. Who would be best as presenter? Many people have suggested Fluff Freeman, who certainly seems to be universally adored. Another idea is Nicky Horne, whose stand-in slots on Radio 2 since last December have been much praised. (He even plays Led Zep, Meatloaf and Marillion - in the middle of the night!) His interviews with McCartney, Bowie & Hucknall were widely considered superb, when on Talk Radio. What ideas do you guys have for a rock show title? Would "Radio T(w)o - Rock To" be sufficiently witty - or too suggestive? A jingle could be created with the BBC's formal voice (maybe Sally Bausman) enunciating the first "Radio Two", whilst a male voice (ideally Fluff Freeman) finishes with "Rock To". Anyone have other ideas? I'm a woman who enjoys rock music. Would women feel alienated if rock shows take 2 - 4 hours per week of broadcast time, or do they enjoy rock on radio as much or more than men? RockOnRadio is what's needed! Tizwin Hay ------------------------------ From: mike@computime.co.uk [mailto:mike@computime.co.uk] Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 12:06 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Noddy's Puncture gig review Gig Review Band - Noddy's Puncture (ELP Tribute Band) Date - 22/07/2000 Venue - Fisherman's Inn, Littleborough. Tom Szakaly - Keyboards. Tony Gunderson - Vocals, Bass & Accoustic Guitars. Lez Piskalo - Drums & Percussion. The Lights go down to Glen Miller's 'in the mood' and then as the the band take the stage, you hear sampled snippets of classic elp sounds which really do set you up for what is to follow, the first track which to no suprise is 'Peter Gunn', the classic opener and does not dissapoint. even from this first song you can tell that the band play as a tight unit, true to the form of ELP. Then straight into a storming rendition of 'Nuclear Attack' from the Greg lake/Gary Moore era solo album, with the great guitar riff and powerful vocals this really holds it's own as a rockin' song in the set list. 'Touch and Go' comes next, a real fan favorite which always gets you in the mood, follow this with great covers of 'Frankenstein' (Edgar Winter) and 'I'm Thinking' (Rare Bird), onto the next track, Rainbow's version of 'Beethoven's 5th', gets the treatment,Tom reproduces the sound of 'Blackmore's' guitar on his keyboard to provide another uplifting song and a way of showing the versatility of tom's playing not limiting them to just an organ trio. Back to the ELP setlist, for which most of the audience are eager for, in the form of one of their most complex tracks 'The Score', when they start this song, you almost gasp at the prospect of them bringing this track off, but soon in, you realise that these boys can play, and i mean note for note, 10mins of real joy, followed like the album by 'Learning To Fly'. I was never a great fan of this track, but the way they blast staight in with no time to applaud the previous excursion into bliss, really works well. The next few tracks really bring to the fore the equal talents of Tony on Acoustic Guitar/Vocals, teasing us with the opening bar's of 'From the beginning', they move into Asia's 'The smile has left your eyes' with Tom on piano, 'Affairs of the heart' and 'Lucky Man' follow complete with classic moog ending. After the gentle ballads back to the business of Classic ELP. Now you have to see this band live to appreciate the way they keep the whole feel of the ELP live show going, when you see Tom sliding the knives into his bullit belt you know what's coming next. Trumpets for 'Fanfare', but what really blew me away and has done everytime i've seen Noddy's Puncture is their rendition of 'Blues Variation' (From Pictures), the mini-moog and hammond sounds really bite on this 'note for note' rockin track and then comes the 'hammond humpin' - 'knife stabbin excursion' which never fails to put a smile on your face ( i often wonder for those people at the gig, who perhaps don't know ELP or have never seen them live, what they must think at this point in the show, but who cares we love it and we never want it to stop). i have not mentioned the man at the back driving them along, Lez the drummer has his turn now with a show stopping solo, just so, if you had not realised it before these guys really are equals as musicians, and althoughTom on keyboards is the nucleus, it's Tony and Lez that make it a true ELP tribute band. Now we really are into the ELP spirit with a medley of 'Welcome Back, Tarkus, America & Rondo' finishing with another storming rendition of 'Hoedown'. a standing ovation follows and it's hard not to believe that ELP themselves could have performed better. The Band give way to the applause and return for another classic seventies cover 'Sylvia'(Focus) followed by a 'Nutrocker' & 'Honky Tonk Train Blues' medley. Well done Tom, Tony & Lez. i'll just end this review by adding that with the demise of ELP, we should all thank Tom especially for his enthusism and dedication to keep the ELP spirit alive, please see this band if you get the chance, if your any kind of an ELP fan, you won't be dissapointed. mike@computime.co.uk ------------------------------ From: Tank2x@aol.com [mailto:Tank2x@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 6:53 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: ELP, GREG LAKE, KEITH EMERSON, YES, ASIA CDS FOR SALE I have a substantial number of CDs for sale, all in mint condition of the above artists, including a rare American DJ CD with interviews by ELP on the making of TRILOGY and BSS, complete with songs and radio adverts. If anyone is interested, please e-mail me. I would prefer to sell in England to avoid the hassle of shipping etc. Its good to have you back John and keep up the good work!!! Regards Neil (tank2x@aol.com) ------------------------------ From: Jeremy Robinson [mailto:jrobinson@crescentmoon.org.uk] Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 9:05 AM To: ELP-DISC; ELP-digest@reluctant.com; e-prog@egroups.com; 1andmoreprog@egroups.com; AllFloydian@egroups.com; paperlate-genesis@egroups.com; Progressive Music; classicprog@egroups.com Subject: ELP again >From Jeremy Robinson Interesting to read some of the responses to my comments on 'Love Beach'. Still maintain that, when you put on 'Love Beach' or some of 'Works' or the later albums (for ex, ELPowell), they seem to come from a different band, and are nowhere near the heights of 'Tarkus' of 'Brain Salad Surgery'. At times, some of ELP's is staggeringly, breathtakingly bad. you wonder, what *were* they thinking? On a related note, there have been many posts recently about Keith Emerson and the recurring question: 'is he going to make any more music?' The question is understandable, as this has been a supergroup reunion year par excellence - among the bands dusting down the guitars and going out on the road this year are/ were King Crimson, Yes, The Who, Camel, Qango, Roger Waters, etc. It would be great if Emerson returned to the fray, but I guess the desire simply isn't there at the moment (and hasn't been for some years). He probably doesn't need to make music for money. A bit of film work here and there may suffice to bring in a bit of dough. Maybe Emerson is a little burnt-out - his work with ELP was so intense, so extraordinary, so virtuosic, it would be difficult to sustain it or even come close to recapturing it. I always thought Emerson worked best when fired up (with or without the bottle of whiskey or whatever else he took), and the passion just doesn't seem to be there anymore. It's not a question of living in the past, or being a tribute band to your own back catalogue (recent Pink Floyd and Genesis), it's about having something to say, and enjoying playing music. Disregarding notions of 'need' (money, contractual obligations, etc), the sheer joy, the desire, the high of playing music has gone. Jeremy Robinson ------------------------------ From: David and Stacey Shur [mailto:dshur@erols.com] Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 8:49 AM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Crimson > On a related note, there have been many posts about Keith Emerson and > the question: 'is he going to make any more music?' The question is > understandable, as this has been a supergroup reunion year par excellence - > among the bands dusting down the guitars and going out on > the road this year are/ were King Crimson ... > Jeremy Robinson A good question, but I believe Crimson doesn't belong in this grouping- Fripp is continuously touring and recording new music with various bands- Crimson being an occasional venue for him and Adrian Belew. Jeremy cites what could be the real reason Emerson won't get on the wheel again- the high from these activities is gone. Once that's gone, there is no more desire. -David Eric. ------------------------------ [ Editor's Note: Last Digest's question about the beginning of The Sheriff resulted in a lot of responses! - John - ] From: Ginman, Alan T [mailto:ATG35790@glaxowellcome.co.uk] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 3:50 AM To: 'elp-digest@reluctant.com' Subject: Swearing and the sheriff John "who says the word "shit" during the into to "The Sheriff"" This is Carl, messing up the drum introduction, which he has to restart. I remember this from a review at the time. I think it was Chris Welch who was reviewing a pre release acetate of the album. He assumed the mistake and related bad language would not appear in the final release, but he didn't reckon with ELP's sense of humour. ___________________________ Alan Ginman ------------------------------ From: Frank Moltrecht [mailto:frank.moltrecht@planet-interkom.de] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 7:49 AM To: ELPdigest@reluctant.com Subject: "the word shit" posted by Steve Barber Hi everybody, in my opinion the word "shit" during the drum intro of "The sheriff" is clearly said by Carl. Even if you think it's not his voice. As a perfectionist in studio recordings it must have been Carl. During the first part of the intro his drumsticks collided (listen to it). So he had to play it again. Cheers from Germany Frank ------------------------------ From: Alan Erickson [mailto:aerickso@Adobe.COM] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 1:11 PM To: ELPdigest@reluctant.com Subject: "The Sheriff" Expletive I think it's Carl because you can hear him accidentally bang his sticks together and that's what he's swearing about. Alan Erickson ------------------------------ From: Michael Beck [mailto:Michael.Beck@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 1:28 PM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: RE: beginning of The Sheriff I've heard that recording and am convinced that it's Palmer. The profanity occurs right after Carl accidentally clicks his drumsticks together during the song's intro. That's a big no-no for drummers and would evoke such a response. Michael Beck ------------------------------ From: Ed Liney [mailto:eliney@bee.net] Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 11:36 AM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: The "Sheriff Intro Question" John, In the last digest the question of who says "Shit" at the beginning of "The Sheriff" was brought up, no doubt about it's Carl. If you listen closely during the Drum Intro you can hear a distinctive "click" sound. This is most likely Carl hitting the sticks together, towards the end of the intro. My guess is he knew it was a screw up and it warranted a "Shit" Keep up the great work.... Thanks, Ed Liney mailto:eliney@bee.net www.bee.net/eliney ------------------------------ From: Andrew C. Buelow [mailto:abuelow@execpc.com] Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 9:19 AM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Re: beginning of The Sheriff I'm sure it is Carl. I have met him, and I know his normal speaking voice is higher, but this was an expletive uttered more or less quietly to himself, as he was not happy with the way the riff he was playing turned out. The pitch level of one's voice tends to be higher when speaking normally to other people, but is often lower when one is muttering to oneself. A studio mike picked it up, and they must have thought it was funny and decided to leave it on the record. Andy Buelow ------------------------------ From: Graham Crawford [mailto:grc@cybersurf.co.uk] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 7:16 AM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: The Sheriff - intro The voice saying 'Shit' HAS to be Carl; he plays the intro (with a mistake), curses to himself, then picks up the same intro and plays it properly the second time round. Why would Keith or Greg curse out loud at Carl's mistake? Regards, Graham ------------------------------ Digest subscrition, mailing address, and administrative stuff to: elp-digest-request@reluctant.com ELP-related info that you want to put in the digest to: elp-digest@reluctant.com Back issues are available from the ELP Digest web site: URL: http://www.brain-salad.com/ Note: The opinions, information, etc. contained in this digest are those of the original message sender listed in each message. They are not necessarily those of the mailing list/digest administrator or those of any institution through whose computers/networks this mail flows. Unless otherwise noted, the individual authors of each entry in the Digest are the copyright holders of that entry. Please respect that copyright and act accordingly. I especially ask that you not redistribute the ELP Digest in whole or in part without acknowledging the original source of the digest and each author. 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