ELP Digest 30 April 2001 Volume 11 : Issue 4 The "Gold Drives A Man To Dream" Edition Today's Topics: Breaking News, Rumors, Etc. - Carl Palmer Q&A (April 3, 2001) - Carl Palmer Drum Clinic - Northampton 11 April (April 12, 2001) - Also ... read about Ringo Starr (w/Greg Lake) tour dates and more under "Latest News from the Official ELP sites" Reader Commentary - Re: ELP Digest V11 #3 (March 30, 2001) - Encores, Legends and Paradox (March 30, 2001) - Asia Reunion 2022 (April 2, 2001) - Carl Palmer's Drumming (April 5, 2001) - Ray Coleman's book on PHIL COLLINS (April 6, 2001) - Pictures at an Exhibition (April 12, 2001) - First 100 Days-little clip (April 26, 2001) Questions (and Answers!) - E Ticket question (March 30, 2001) - The Manhattan Collection (March 30, 2001) - Remasters (April 8, 2001) - Question (April 10, 2001) - Albert Hall Video (April 16, 2001) New ELP Releases/Products (The ELP Digest does not endorse, etc.) - Remasters of three early ELP albums (April 17, 2001) =========================== Prelude =========================== Hi. More information is starting to come out about this summer's Ringo Starr tour with Greg Lake on bass (and playing some of his hits). More news about Carl Palmer's plans for the next year or so. And the usual reports from ELP Digest readers about whatever's on their minds. Enjoy. - John - ------------------------------ Latest News from the Official ELP sites ... A number of sites now offer information about the upcoming Ringo Starr/All-Starr Band tour featuring Greg Lake on bass. http://www.greglake.com/whatsnew.html, http://ringotour.com/2001/, and http://www.livedaily.citysearch.com/news/2989.html all feature tour schedules, and it appears there will even be a live appearance on the NBC Today Show on August 3, available to anyone with access to U.S. network television! The dates are still being finalized, so check early and often at these sites to get the latest news. Tickets are already on sale for at least three of the dates: July 28 in Sterling Heights, Michigan August 9 in Holmdel, New Jersey August 28 in Woodinville, Washington Ringotour.com also provides a guest forum where you can link up with others who are attending shows in your area, talk up Greg's participation in the tour, etc. Last week, there was even a chain of notes regarding a guy begging Ringo to sell him Carl Palmer's drum kit! The site is still being updated, but the forum is available at http://ringotour.com/2001/2001forum.htm Other news since the last Digest issue: The Official ELP site (www.emersonlakepalmer.com) has added a DVD version of the new "Welcome Back" documentary in DVD and VHS formats. Also, Bruce Pilato, Greg Lake's manager and the force behind the Official Global ELP Website, reports that "Live at Royal Albert Hall" is scheduled to come out on DVD this summer, and also confirms that the Carl Palmer anthology CD will be released in May on Sanctuary Records. In addition to tour info, Greg's site (www.greglake.com) has several new entries for "Ask Greg Lake" and "Desert Island Discs." Carl's site (www.carlpalmer.com) has added new pictures from his recent U.S. Drum Clinic Tour and also some new autographed items for sale ... as well as the following info on his new anthology album and a new collaboration: "Carl Palmer's much anticipated anthology, "Do Ya Wanna Play, Carl!", will be released in Europe on May 7th with the U.S. release date still to be announced. The 2CD set will feature career highlights from Carl's first time in the studio at age 15, to his long awaited percussion concerto, right up to his playing with the Buddy Rich Orchestra. The title, incidentally, comes from a Buddy Rich intro. "Also, there is word that Carl will begin collaboration with Cathy Rich in the very near future on a new drum project." =========================== Breaking News, Rumors, Etc. =========================== From: MarkyD_Sod@webtv.net Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 5:33 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Carl Palmer Q&A John, It's my great pleasure to share with all ELP-DIGEST readers a transcription of Carl Palmer's question and answer session from one of Carl's recent drum clinics in Edison, New Jersey. In the q&a, Carl talks about his new band PALMER, working and playing with Greg and Keith, the Buddy Rich tributes, how he has been listening to more prog now than ever and he even finds the time to work in a few digs on Charlie Watts and Bill Bruford. The Q&A can be found on the ELP-DISC front page located at http://www.angelfire.com/rock/MarkyDee appropriately titled Carl Palmer Q&A. enjoy, markyd --------------------------------------------- From: Michael Peacock [sharwen@sharwen.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 6:06 AM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Carl Palmer Drum Clinic - Northampton 11 April At present my family and I are over from Cyprus on holiday, having decided to make the visit for Carl's drum clinic in Northampton (which is only a few miles from our UK base) last night, on 11 April. What a good decision! My wife and I were accompanied by Margaret, my mum-in-law, who, although not a music fan, was interested to see why we had traveled such a long way. The venue for the clinic, which was hosted by the Drum Centre, was the Soundhaus in Northampton - a perfect setting, as it is small and intimate. The clinic began with a superb presentation by Colin Woolway of Drumsense and Suzy Quatro fame, in which he discussed the paradiddle and ways of exploiting it. Although I am a keyboard player, I was able to follow much of the discussion, largely because of Colin's clear explanations and lively, humorous approach. After Colin's final solo, there was a short break, and then Carl took the stage, looking relaxed and cheerful. For the next hour or so he entertained the gathering of around a hundred enthusiasts with a superb programme of demonstrations, explanations, questions and answers, and, of course solos. Carl began with a snare drum solo in which he demonstrated the versatility of the instrument and the range of sounds and textures it can produce. He then went on to play what can best be described as a sound-painting, called "In a Moroccan Market" in which his genius with assorted percussion was to the fore. Thereafter, a "guess the ELP track" section gave the old-time fans a chance to air their knowledge, and a discussion of, and subsequent solo on, the hi-hat showed the astonishing range of that instrument. Towards the end of the evening, Carl played a couple of mid-blowing solos: one featuring what he described as his "latest grooves" and one firmly in the tradition of the ELP concert solo spot to finish the show. Both of these items drew warm appreciation from the audience. The musical items were punctuated with Carl's stories and observations, and he also gave some tempting glances into the future, mentioning his new double CD "Do You Wanna Play, Carl?"; his forthcoming summer dates with his guitar-based trio; and a new project with Keith and others, which he hopes to initiate towards the end of this year. Exciting prospects indeed! Immediately after the clinic, Carl made himself available for an informal chat with those of us who wanted to meet him, and I was lucky enough to have a talk with him and have both my book of Brent Wood's ELP transcriptions and the cover of my Brain Salad Surgery vinyl LP autographed. Carl is a real gentleman - charming, genuine and approachable. Moreover, my mum-in-law is now a fan - she found the show totally absorbing, and now understands why my wife and I have been ELP fans for the last thirty years! Our thanks again to Carl and his team for making the evening so enjoyable and memorable. Best wishes, John Ian McIlroy =========================== Reader Commentary =========================== From: Peter Wilton [pjsw@beaufort.demon.co.uk] Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 3:40 AM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Re: ELP Digest V11 #3 First, I'd like to say that I absolutely *hated* the Channel 4 Top Ten programme. If they hadn't included a clip of Emo playing the piano in order to show that ELP toured with an orchestra as an illustration of the "excess" of progressive rock (does that go for all orchestral music?), then anyone new to the band would think that all they did was showcase Emerson attacking Hammond organs with knives! Tim Ryan wrote: >I did not intend to create a debate about "styles". I have not been trained in >the classic sense to discern the sounds of the musical greats. In fact - I'm >not a musician - but I feel I have a pretty good ear for talent. Wouldn't it >have sounded lame if I just said "Keith is great"? Was is necessary to negate >the compliment in order to show your understanding of classical composers? But surely people can't "own" the responses of others to their contributions. You may not have wanted that sort of discussion yourself, but if others do, aren't they entitled to? How can you know that "Giedrius GAPSYS"'s only motivation for his post was the desire to show his understanding of classical composers? I found it interesting, and thought that most of the "oppositions" between pairs of composers work. And why should anyone think that such discussion "negates" your compliment? For some of us, it's exactly Keith's relationship to his influences, what he takes from them, what he rearranges, the contraries that he puts together, that make his music so fascinating. On the other ELP list Ken Taylor, who has transcribed so many ELP tracks into MIDI files, discussed Keith's harmonic style in detail, showing how his boogie pieces are not in the classic boogie style, but introduce elements from other jazz styles, which no one else has done, because most jazzers have a prejudice against touching boogie at all. For me, that's the most interesting sort of discussion I could have about Emerson's music. I do hope no one thinks it right to restrict the kind of conversations we're "allowed" to have here. If we're all allowed to do this, then I would post complaining about the endless discussions of keyboard electronics! >From: John Arnold [arnold@reluctant.com] > >First, go to Keith's own site (www.keithemerson.com) and click on the >"Liquid Audio" link >(http://www.liquidmusicnetwork.com/cgi-bin/search/search.cgi/114210034@et >own >?search_type=ArtistItem&artist_id=26060 ) where you can download tracks >from >"Cream of Emerson Soup" (the re-named "Changing States") as well as >"Honky" >and the "Christmas Album." I'd like to mention "buyer beware" here. Liquid Audio causes problems on quite a few computers (mine included). The system hung up, the "passport" which enables you to play the tracks never worked, the web site did not recognise me as having validly purchased the tracks, the online help was inadequate to resolve the problem, and no one replied to requests for help, no matter how often I emailed them. They still took the money. Since all the tracks I downloaded were from Honky, I've bought the CD and deleted Liquid Audio and all its works from my computer. I shall certainly never buy anything from them again! -- Peter Wilton The Gregorian Association Web Page: http://www.beaufort.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------- From: Robert Liberman [rhliberman@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 9:58 AM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Encores, Legends and Paradox Hi John, First, I just want to say thanks for taking the time to put this excellent newsletter together. I frequently think of something I want to comment on, but I'm usually too darn busy to do it. I can only imagine the time you put into the editing if the newsletter. Your dedication is certainly very much appreciated by all of us readers who anxiously await it's release each month. I just wanted to share my thoughts on Encores, Legends and Paradox. I normally don't go for these "tribute" cds and was, in fact reluctant and skeptical when a friend handed it to me for a listen. However, I must admit that I fell in love with it after the first listen. Of course it does not compare with the original, but I'm sure that was not the intent of those involved in putting it together. It's a very well-produced cd and definitely stands on its own. If anything, it shows how excellent the music really is. Other than perhaps the Beatles, I can't think of too many groups from 25-30 years ago whose music still sounds fresh today. I heartily recommend this cd to every ELP fan! Now that I've gotten started, I'd like to share my own personal experience with meeting the master himself... Back in November 1973 (when I was 17), my older brother and I drove to Atlanta to see ELP perform. We had our own progressive rock band at the time and even played several ELP tunes. Needless to say, the show was incredible. After the show we decided to get a bite to eat and did so at the Marriott Hotel. We decided to go there because our family used to vacation in Atlanta every year and we always stayed at the Marriott. While my brother and I were eating, my brother glanced at the bar and noticed that none other than Keith Emerson was sitting at the bar, all by himself. Being a keyboard player and 17 years old, I was naturally awestruck at seeing my idol, literally a few feet away! I completely froze as if I had seen a ghost, but my brother said "let's go and talk to him!". I said "No way!", but he grabbed me and we walked over. My brother struck up a conversation with Keith who was very cordial and appreciative of his compliments. I, on the other hand, could barely muster up a word at all. Fortunately, we walked away with autographs and am experience I will never forget. I'm sure we acted like a couple of idiots, but Keith was a real sport. Not many musicians of his caliber would have put up with us invading his privacy like that. My only regret was that I had my Minimoog in my brothers van and didn't try and get Keith to autograph it... I know it's a dumb story, but it made a big impression me at the time. Take care and keep up the GREAT work! Regards, Robert Liberman --------------------------------------------- From: carlos_lopez_1@ucab.edu.ve on behalf of Carlos Lopez Salgado [carlos_lopez_1@ucab.edu.ve] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 10:34 AM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Fw: Asia Reunion 2022 < fwd> Please note that I didn't write this. I don't have the place that originated this note, but I'm sure all the Digest will have a belly laugh within this. --- Begin Forwarded Message --- "LONDON, March 30, 2022 Putting an end to over three decades of animosity, the original members of the rock group ASIA today announced that they are reuniting for a world tour and a new album. Now into their 70s, the four members said several factors contributed to their decision to reunite, among them financial need and lack of contemporary musicians to play with. "It's hard since Social Security went belly-up. Besides, all our friends are dead," quipped guitarist Steve Howe. "Yeah," bassist John Wetton agreed. "Besides, I've forgotten what we were mad at each other about," he added with a laugh. "So there are some benefits to being old," keyboardist Geoff Downes quipped. Owing to their age, the band members will only play cities with major medical facilities which are readily available. Dates and venues will be announced next week, according to their publicist, former child actress Ashley Olson. Asked about the title of their new album, the band members couldn't seem to agree. Drummer Carl Palmer said he thought it was "Arthritica," while Howe was positive it's "Amnesia." Noted artist Roger Dean has been cryogenically unfrozen to do the album cover. The band members have had turbulent personal and professional histories since they dominated the music scene back in 1982, when there was still such a thing as rock and roll. Howe left the venerable Yes in 2015 when bassist Chris Squire officially broke up the band following singer Jon Anderson's televised alien abduction. In addition to his solo work, Howe did the music for and starred in a seldom seen exercise video in 2018. Downes continued under the ASIA banner with various musicians until megastar John Payne left for a solo career in 2010. Payne's 2014 disc, "Rethinking the Song" still holds the record for most weeks at number one on the UK charts and last month was certified for worldwide sales of 11 million copies. Palmer was a member of ELP, whose infamous 2006 reunion ended abruptly at Carnegie Hall when Keith Emerson took out a flamethrower and incinerated Greg Lake's entire bass collection. He has done several solo albums and briefly worked as the Tonight Show drummer. Wetton's career since ASIA has included solo albums as well as stints in the 2008 King Crimson mega-reunion tour and two albums and tours with the Rolling Stones. In 2012 he briefly replaced Steve Augeri in the American band Journey. The opening act for ASIA will be CBC, the all-female neo-prog supergroup fronted by Cher, Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera." Carlos Alexander Lspez Salgado Email: carlos_lopez_1@ucab.edu.ve Universidad Catolica Andres Bello --------------------------------------------- From: Graham Allen [Gallen21@btinternet.com] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 4:51 PM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: Carl Palmer's Drumming. In response to Russell's comments about Carl, I agree that he is still a superb technician with ferocious speed , great snare technique and drive. What I think most drummers these days recognise is that he lacks the ability to really groove. As with all music, times change things and being fast does not count as much in recorded music. The style of drumming that swept in through the 80's was highly technical but also absolutely in the pocket/groove orientated. Playing was stripped down and a whole new wave of players emerged. I'm afraid Carl has been left behind long ago in this area. Why is it that he did not make the top 50!!! drummers in the Rhythm (UK based magazine for drummers) millennium vote, nor did he make the top 100 beats of all time. I'd like to say I don't know but I think most drummers do know, Carl's playing is unique thrilling but drumming has moved on. Check out Mike Portnoy. This is not criticism - it is about acceptance, times change, drumming changes - in his day CP was no 1, but now there is a new force out there. Graham Allen --------------------------------------------- From: gary weighill [garyweighill@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:42 AM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Re: Ray Coleman's book on PHIL COLLINS Hi John: I just thought I would send a quick note regarding what I read recently in RAY COLMANS' book Titled: Phil Collins - The Definitive Biography, 1997 (1998 Edition). On page 46 he mentions Carl Palmer, Drummer with Nice - Later with ELP. Drummer with Nice? I don't think so - what do you think? I very much appreciate your dedication to the news letter. Thanks, Cheers, Gary [ Editor's Note: Sounds like they got carried away and put "The Nice" in place of "Atomic Rooster". - John - ] --------------------------------------------- From: Iain Stewart [is@ic24.net] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 6:02 PM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: pictures at an exhibition Having just recently purchased (and enjoyed) the DVD version of Pictures at an Exhibition, I wonder if anyone can help me with an answer to the question, WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE REST OF THE CONCERT ??? I went to see the movie at the cinema in 1972 (I think it was) and remember that the version on release then showed a complete ELP set from that time. This included The Barbarian, Take a Pebble (with sections of Tank, and Hoedown prior to its inclusion on Trilogy) and ended with a rip-roaring version of Rondo with a massive Carl Palmer drum solo. Are there any plans to release the un-edited version of the concert as, good though the current DVD may be, it will always be only half of the actual movie. Keep up the good work with the digest, John as it's the one e-mail I always look forward to receiving. IAIN STEWART Scotland, UK. [ Editor's Note: I've only ever seen the "full version" of this film on a Japanese import laser disc. The US version of that same laser disc was the edited version that appears to be what's on the DVD. We can only hope that some enterprising type with access to the full version can get it released some day. - John - ] --------------------------------------------- From: Robert J Schoneman [mailto:motorcars1@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 10:09 AM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: First 100 Days-little clip. While watching CNN last night, 4/25/01 they did a clip on President Bush's First 100 Days in office. Right after was a factoid block about the President. The background music for that was none other than EL&P original- Greg Lake's Lucky Man. Did a double take on that. Some things stay recognizable for years and miles away. Keep up the good work, John. Bob Schoneman Motorcars1@juno.com =========================== Questions (and Answers!) =========================== From: William Gagliani [W.Gagliani@marquette.edu] Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 9:56 AM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: E Ticket question Hi John and ELP fans: It's been a while since I've written in, but lately I've had the urge to locate a copy of an album I could swear I remember Keith having recorded in the early 90s -- a straight jazz (or fusion) album called E TICKET. Keith and a couple other famous names, if I remember correctly. Did I make this up? I checked Keith's Discography at his site, but it's not listed (unless I'm getting blind as well as senile). Any help at all would be appreciated, of course! I'm very glad to hear the news of Greg's stint in Ringo's band, and I hope to get a chance to see them. Thanks for the best ELP news forum, John! Best, Bill Gagliani www.authorsden.com/williamdgagliani ________________ William D. Gagliani w.gagliani@marquette.edu tarkusp@execpc.com Author of "Until Hell Calls Our Names," Winner of the 1999 Memphis Science Fiction Association's Darrell Award, in the anthology MORE MONSTERS FROM MEMPHIS, edited by Beecher Smith (Zapizdat Press, ISBN 1-880964-24-4). Also Honorable Mention in The Year's Best Fantasy & Horror (12th ed). Available from Amazon.com or . [ Editor's Note: I think you're thinking of Keith's appearance on Marc Bonilla's album called "EE Ticket". A quick glance at my copy of the CD shows it as Reprise Records # 9 26725-2. This album was produced by Kevin Gilbert and Keith plays piano on a track called White Noise. - John - ] --------------------------------------------- From: John Wraga [JohnW@ilx.com] Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 10:02 AM To: 'elp-digest@reluctant.com' Subject: The Manhattan Collection Has anyone reviewed this? Thanks John [ Editor's Note: Here's a quick description from a Digest contributor, "for what it's worth - I'll leave the reviewing to more learned Digest-ers: "The Manhattan Collection" - not to be confused with "The Emerson Collection" - was produced by Chord Records and the copy I have was pressed in Canada and released on the "New Age Music" label in 1988. According to the new Forrester book, this is a "compilation of music by artists on Chord Records. Other artists featured are Derek Austin, Steve Cameron and Albert Alan Owen." The four Emerson pieces included in the collection are all available on other CDs: * "The Dreamer" (this version also appears on "The Emerson Collection;" an earlier version, with a different intro, is called "Dream Runner" on "Best Revenge") * "Prelude to Candice" (also on "Murderock") * "Hello Sailor" (also on "Honky") * "Inferno" (this is the "main titles theme" that also appears on "Inferno") "The Manhattan Collection" is occasionally available on one of the online CD sites including, currently, amazon.com and bn.com." - John - ] --------------------------------------------- From: Alastair Cox [Alasova@btinternet.com] Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 8:33 AM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: remasters Hi I am a UK fan and bought all the ELP reissues as Picture discs when they came out on Castle. Now they have been reissued by Castle on the Sanctuary label with better sleeves (and in the case of Pictures that rerecorded Pics version from the box set...AGAIN!!). Do you know if the new issues sound any better or are they just reissues? [ Editor's Note: I've never seen nor heard these so I have no idea. Any other readers care to venture an informed opinion. - John - ] --------------------------------------------- From: Maid4pleaz@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:22 AM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: Question I recently downloaded from 'Napster' a snippet of Keith Emerson playing a tribute to Jethro Tull (Living in the Past). Was this ever released and if so any ideas where it can be purchased? Thanks Terri [ Editor's Note: This is Keith's rendition of "Living In the Past". It's on the Magna Carta label CD called "To Cry You A Song". This CD is available at many of the large online CD sites, and also at the Artist Shop. I just noticed that CDnow.com says that the players on the track are Keith Emerson, Mick Abrahams, Clive Bunker, and Glenn Cornick. - John - ] --------------------------------------------- From: michael okane [mailto:michael@mandsandb.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 4:24 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Albert Hall Video Hello. Does anyone know the piece of music played at the end of the excellent "Live at the Royal Albert Hall" video (1996) as the lads are taking their bows? Keep up the good work, Michael [ Editor's Note: The old, but still quite quite useful ELP Quote List at http://www.brain-salad.com/Emerson/quote-list.txt shows that this is probably "Church Windows" by O. Respighi. Here's the full note: "Composer: {1879-1936} Ottorino Respighi Quote: {1914} Fontane Di Roma (The Fountains Of Rome) Song: 1992 concert start taped music part 1 Quote: {1923} Pini Di Roma (The Pines Of Rome) Song: 1992 concert start taped music part 2 Quote: {1925} Vetrate Di Chiesa (Church Windows) - 4th movement (St. Gregory The Great) - Finale Song: concert end taped music part 1" - John - ] =========================== New ELP Releases/Products/Links (The ELP Digest does not endorse, etc.) =========================== Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2001 1:14 PM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: Remasters of three early ELP albums Gary Davis' latest Artist Shop (http://www.artist-shop.com ) newsletter now offers remasters of three early ELP albums: EMERSON, LAKE & PALMER-EMERSON, LAKE & PALMER $14.95 Remastered reissue of the progressive rock supergroup's 1970 debut album. EMERSON, LAKE & PALMER-PICTURES AT AN EXHIBITION $14.95 Remastered reissue of the progressive rock supergroup's 1972 live album. EMERSON, LAKE & PALMER-TARKUS $14.95 Remastered reissue of the progressive rock supergroup's 1971 sophomore album. =========================== Digest subscription, mailing address, and administrative stuff to: elp-digest-request@reluctant.com ELP-related info that you want to put in the digest to: elp-digest@reluctant.com Back issues are available from the ELP Digest web site: URL: http://www.brain-salad.com/ (click on the Back Issues, Subscriptions, and more... button) Note: The opinions, information, etc. contained in this digest are those of the original message sender listed in each message. They are not necessarily those of the mailing list/digest administrator or those of any institution through whose computers/networks this mail flows. Unless otherwise noted, the individual authors of each entry in the Digest are the copyright holders of that entry. Please respect that copyright and act accordingly. I especially ask that you not redistribute the ELP Digest in whole or in part without acknowledging the original source of the digest and each author. Thanks! End of ELP Digest [Volume 11 Issue 4] *************************************