ELP Digest 30 July 2003 Volume 13 : Issue 6 The "Pint of Guinness" Edition Today's Topics: Breaking News, Rumors, Etc. - Nice 2002 Live Box Set (July 3, 2003) - New Greg Lake composition (July 13, 2003) - More ELP on DVD (July 15, 2003) - Keith Emerson and the Nice Live in Glasgow 2002 (July 20, 2003) - The Nice (July 21, 2003) - nice reissues..(July 25, 2003) Reader Commentary - Brain Salad Surgery poster (June 21, 2003) - Re: ELP Digest Vol. 13 #5 (June 21, 2003) - Refugee CD (June 22, 2003) - 5 bridges plus (June 25, 2003) - re the Digest interview about Music from Free Creek (July 10, 2003) - Free Creek cd (July 12, 2003) - Says he admires Carl Palmer (July 22, 2003) Questions (and Answers!) - Info for the next Digest (July 1, 2003) - fanfare for the common man video clip (July 13, 2003) - ELP memorabilia (July 18, 2003) - Interesting notes in Led Zeppelin album (July 23, 2003) ELP-related products, tribute bands, promoters (The ELP Digest does not endorse, etc.) - ELP Tribute band (July 3, 2003) - Noddy's Puncture (ELP Tribute Band) gigs (July 30, 2003) =========================== Prelude =========================== Hello! The usual mixture of news and comment awaits. The old Nice CDs appear to be re-issued by Sanctuary Records in the UK along a NEW live CD from one of last year's shows by Keith, the Nice, and the rest of his band. Carl speaks of the possibility of a new high-quality ELP DVD in the formative stages in a magazine interview. In this interview, Carl also says that Greg will be performing a few songs with his band this weekend! There's a snippet of a new piece by Greg on the 'Team Encounter' web site. And readers react to 'Music From Free Creek' as mentioned in the last Digest. All this and more... enjoy! - John - ------------------------------ Latest News from the Official ELP sites .… No new postings to report from the official ELP Web site or Greg’s site. Word has it that Keith's site is in transition. It will be moving to a new hosting provider and, along with it the Keith Emerson store will be re-opened and rejuvenated. If you notice the site seemingly being down over the next week or so while the details get worked out, please be patient. It will be stable in the very near future. Also, I've heard from some readers in the UK that Keith's autobiography has been released! I don't have a copy yet but imagine that some reviews will start coming in over the next few weeks. (In the meantime, I'm in the middle of reading Martyn Hanson's book about the Nice called 'Hang Onto A Dream: The Story of The Nice' and I will write a review when I finish!) Martyn chimes in on the 'Music From Free Creek' in a letter in this issue. Carl’s site has July news about concert dates and more at http://www.carlpalmer.com/news.html Enjoy! =========================== Breaking News, Rumors, Etc. =========================== From: Eriko Yatabe-Waldock [miroopy@attglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 10:24 AM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Nice 2002 Live Box Set http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000A5BVB/qid=1057241807/sr=2-3/ref=sr_2_3_3/026-8774028-3783626 (If this link wraps in your email/browser, just cut/paste it into your browser.) Keith Emerson and The Nice Live 2002 Box set will be available on 8/25. You can pre-order it at Amazon UK (no financial interest blah blah blah) Eriko Yatabe-Waldock --------------------------------------------- From: Mark DeLugt [mdelugt@cox.net] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 8:56 PM To: elp-digest-request@reluctant.com Subject: New Greg Lake composition Greetings John. Thought ELPeople might like to know that a snippet of Greg's 'Team Encounter Symphony' is on the Team Encounter home page, http://www.teamencounter.com Enjoy, Mark --------------------------------------------- From: bjorn-are.davidsen@telenor.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 2:59 PM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: More ELP on DVD Hi John! Despite the as always intense heat here in Norway (now about 30 degrees Celsius (85 F)), I bravely retreat from the beach to spread some more ELP news, in case you haven't received them yet. This is (thanks to Doug Weller!) from the Palmer interview on Classic Rock (July/August 2003 - Issue 137 - available now for £3.00 + 70p&p from Classic Rock UK Ltd., 47 Brecks Lane, Rotherham, S.Yorks, England, S65 3JQ - http://classicrocksociety.com/) "We've just changed management with the ELP stuff, most of it's being run by Bill Curbishley now and we've got a new DVD being put together by Bill, who manages The Who, Robert Plant and Jimmy Page." "the ELP DVD is very important and we've also got a live ELP album that is of the last time we played together. On the DVD we've put all the outtakes that we never used from the original BBC documentary. We've got all the stuff from Italy, Verona, the stuff from the Royal Albert Hall, we've also got some 8mm stuff of us racing cars at Brands Hatch. On top of that there's odd clips of the Nice and a clip of me with Arthur Brown, there's also Greg Lake with Asia in Japan which was he first ever MTV satellite broadcast from Japan hack to America. So there's an awful lot and we'll get in to a good three hours worth. ... We've got bootleg films as well." "... only two others know about at this time is that Greg (Lake) is going to appear with my band on August 2nd at the Exeter gig. He's only coming on to do four numbers, 'Lucky Man', 'From The Beginning', 'Stones of Years' and 'Fanfare'. It's only a fifty minute slot I've got and we're talking about getting together and putting a proper tour together sometime at the end of the year, beginning of next." About Keith Emerson and The Nice: "He's asked me to join The Nice a couple of times," said Carl, "but that's not what I really want to do, I'm happier with my own band as small as what it is, I'm happy doing that. I like really high-calibre musicianship and that didn't seem to be exactly the style that I wanted. I don't really want to have a singer in my band but if Greg wants to come along fine but if not I'd rather just keep it slightly different. A prog-instrumental band - there's not many of 'em and so it's a bit different and unique" "I've now got a definite direction for my band, I've got the second live album recorded but not mixed yet and that will come out next year. I'm also going to record a couple of other pieces and put a compilation together of Volume I and II and I'll put a box set out." Not happy to stop there, after all that Carl intends to make a new recording of new music written by the threesome in the new band and maybe some classical adaptations all for a new album. "This is all long term and I realise it's not going to take off big because basically prog isn't that big. It's really for an intellectual group of people who really want that bit extra and my argument is that I could have done a studio album to start off with but who would have played it, where would it have gone. This way, as you've said, some of the material is well known and some semi well known and I feel that if I'd have come with a studio album first with new material and it had flopped and no one played it and then gone on to play ELP stuff they would have said that 'he had to do that', so I figured I'd do that first." So the 'live' music is an essential part of the Cart Palmer and the hand have played in Mexico, Germany, Holland, Italy and throughout the UK but one gig in Brussels deserves an explanation by Carl. "I got a call to go to play in Brussels with the band and after some haggling we managed to agree on a date but we didn't know much about the person booking the gig. The powers that be were a little worried that we didn't know anything about the promoter but the money was [Ed. note. the email I got stops in mid-sentence here - John -] "Four weeks ago I did special needs programme and I did a music class for a fifty profoundly deaf children. I had three 'signers' there with me because obviously I can't sign myself and they had to put across what I was doing and I demonstrated because they can see movement and feel the drum vibration. I did it at a school and I am now going to do that in April every year. There are about twenty deaf schools in England and I'll probably cover all of them. I was even telling the deaf kids off when they were messing about and we got on extremely well and that's exactly what they want, they want to he treated as normal" -------------------- If this means ELP is thinking about releasing a DVD in the same league as Led Zeppelin, we're in for a treat! Keeping my fingers crossed, though. Bjørn Are --------------------------------------------- From: George Findlay [george@georgefindlay.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 4:13 PM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: Keith Emerson and the Nice Live in Glasgow 2002 John, The following has just been posted at www.sanctuaryrecordsgroup.co.uk in the new release section. KEITH EMERSON & THE NICE Vivacitas: Live At Glasgow 2002 - Sanctuary Records released: 25/08/2003 Cat No: SANTD208 barcode: 5050159 020829 Track Listing: Disc 1 America Little Arabella She Belongs To Me The Cry of Eugene Hang onto a Dream Country Pie The Karelia Suite Disc 2 Blade of Grass A Cajun Alley Tarkus Hoedown Fanfare for the Common Man Honky Tonk Train Disc 3 Interview with Chris Welch George Findlay george@george findlay.fsnet.co.uk --------------------------------------------- From: George Findlay [george@georgefindlay.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 1:47 PM To: John Arnold Subject: The Nice John, It appears that Sanctuary are re-releasing * Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack * Ars Longa Vita Brevis and * The Nice as 2CD sets, the second CD having tracks from either the recent BBC Sessions CD or the Here Come the Nice set - so no new material that I can see. Details can be found at: www.sanctuaryrecordsgroup.co.uk in the new release section. All are scheduled for the same release date 15th August, 2003. Regards George --------------------------------------------- From: oval [oval@avant7.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 10:04 AM To: John Arnold Subject: nice reissues.. I saw this on the Spin web site. Due out on 15th September. It looks like the same old stuff churned out again. I am not sure if the BBC stuff will be of the same low quality as previously released, the mono versions of the album tracks reappear( why? they are no different except for being mono, mono single mix ...ha). The alternate 67-68 stuff was on the 5 Bridges and Elegy cds. The Pathetique Symphony 4th and Lt Kije (The Troika)/Rondo were on the box set. Well we live in hope, it would be nice (!) for these to be good remixes or something. Maybe they even got the intro between Rondo and She Belongs To Me right this time and didn't cut off Emerson’s intro. Maybe and I am really dreaming here, they will put back the 30 seconds of Rondo that was on the Columbia special Products vinyl album but none of the subsequent cds Here are releases: (1967) 'The Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack', DISC 1: Flower King Of Flies The Thoughts Of Emerlist Davjack Bonnie K Rondo War & Peace Tantalising Maggie Dawn The Cry Of Eugene Azrial (Angel of Death) (non-album B-side) The Thoughts Of Emerlist Davjack (single) The Diamond Hard Blue Apples Of The Moon (non-album B-side) America (non-album A-side) DISC 2 (ALTERNATIVE AUTUMN 67 Versions): Flower King Of Flies Bonnie K Dawn Tantalising Maggie The Cry Of Eugene The Thoughts Of Emerlist Davjack Daddy Where Did I Come From? America BBC SESSIONS 1967-1968: Sombrero Sam Get To You The Diamond Hard Blue Apples Of The Moon Brandenburger Little Arabella (& Sorcery) (1968) 'Ars Longa Vita Brevis' DISC 1: Daddy Where Did I Come From? Little Arabella Happy Freuds Intermezzo From The Karelia Suite Don Edito El Gruva Prelude Acceptance Brandenburger (3rd Movement of 'Prelude') (Mono Single Mix) Happy Freuds (Mono Single Mix) Brandenburger (Demo Version) DISC 2 (BBC SESSIONS 1968-1969): Ars Longa Vita Brevis Aries Lumpy Gravy Little Arabella Happy Freuds Intermezzo From The Karelia Suite I'm One Of Those People… Azrael Revisited Blues For The Prairies Diary Of An Empty Day (& Top Gear Signature) LIVE IN NEWCASTLE, 1968: Rondo America (1969) The Nice Azrael Revisited Hang On To A Dream Diary Of An Empty Day For Example Rondo '69' She Belongs To Me Hang On To A Dream (mono single mix) Diary Of An Empty Day (Mono Single Mix) St Thomas (with Roy Harper on lead vocals, BBC Session, June 1969) Pathetique Symphony 4th Lt Kije (The Troika)/Rondo Vivacitas: Live At Glasgow 2002 DISC 1: America Little Arabella She Belongs To Me The Cry Of Eugene Hang Onto A Dream Country Pie Karelia Suite DISC 2: Blade Of Grass A Cajun Ally Tarkus Hoedown Fanfare For The Common Man Honky Tonk Train Blues DISC 3: Interview with Chris Welch -A.N.Cox ... A frustrated Nice fan =========================== Reader Commentary =========================== From: alison.clark2@zoom.co.uk Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:16 AM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: Brain Salad Surgery poster Hi, there, If anyone is interested in owning one of the original posters of HR Giger's Isis which was the cover for Brain Salad Surgery please make an offer by sending me email (alison.clark2@zoom.co.uk) The A3 poster is framed in chrome with non reflective glass and is sadly being sold due to house move and traveling with job. Hope to hear from you all soon. Al --------------------------------------------- From: Peter Wilton [pjsw@beaufort.demon.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 6:35 PM To: ELP-Digest@reluctant.com Subject: Re: ELP Digest Vol. 13 #5 Moogy said in an interview about the Free Creek album: Keith Emerson did "On The Rebound" a Floyd Kramer song with Buzzy Feiton and Mitch Mitchell. He did it kind of as a response to "Kilpatrick's Defeat", my country piano song. All through this album I pushed some of the British rock stars to places they didn't normally go. Keith Emerson doing jazz and country was something you didn't hear him often do with his own records or group. Emerson doesn't often do jazz "with his own records or groups"? Is this guy listening to the same Nice and ELP that I do? Peter Wilton The Gregorian Association Web Site: http://www.beaufort.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------- From: Richard Averdahl [rick@wineasy.se] Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 1:52 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Refugee CD I'm just writing to let You know, that the Refugee CD has been issued a few years back in Japan. Please apoligize if this is old news, but I saw about this "rumour" in the ELP digest, and thought I would reply. Thanks; Rick, Sweden --------------------------------------------- From: Jerry Slater [orion13@fsmail.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 5:51 PM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: 5 bridges plus I see Keith is touring again with the Nice. 5 Bridges was written to celebrate Tyneside and is my favourite album of theirs. Now that this part of the Tyne has 7 bridges it would be rather err, nice, if Keith, & possibly the rest of the band, could write another 2 bridges, maybe even include the music on their tour. Just a thought ... Best wishes, Jerry, North Shields --------------------------------------------- From: Chmartyn@aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 4:38 PM To: arnold@reluctant.com Subject: re the Digest interview about Music from Free Creek Jeff Beck called the Music from Free Creek album as Music from Ripoffsville. Some myths have persisted about these sessions. Moogy cites Keith Emerson from ELP. This is probably because all the interviews he gave were well after the sessions were held. This has been the perennial problem, people have always assumed it was in the ELP era. This is because ELP were so mega and The Nice were relatively smaller - although they were still big. That was my biggest surprise in the researching of the book. I never, like most fans, realised how big and influential The Nice were. Thankfully, Moogy confirms the sessions were held in 1969, so the some of the fog is clearing. We know that Keith was still in The Nice because his session was recorded just after their second US tour - early to mid May 1969. The interview states the sessions were held in June, July and August 1969, but even that is wrong. Keith definitely recorded his stuff before June because The Nice were back in the UK and gigging before the end of May. In fact, Keith thought he was going to play with Jimi Hendrix. I know this because the roadie who was with him was Bazz Ward, and he remembers standing outside the studio waiting for something to happen - they were there for a whole week. I return to Jeff Beck and his comment. I'll wager most of the musicians on that session didn't know the full story. Cheers Martyn Hanson --------------------------------------------- From: anc [oval@avant7.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 5:21 PM To: arnold@reluctant.com Subject: FW: Free Creek cd I recently ordered the Free Creek cd from Moogy music as mentioned in the last ELP digest. It is not cheap $18.99 with shipping, but that wouldn't be so bad if it were not for the fact that this is a cdr (not mentioned on the web site promo) with what looks like a photocopied paper insert. The cdr was not happy about playing on my cd player, but also made some ticking noises on the loud sections of the Emerson tracks. I think this is called "ringing" and is either due to the cdr or poor original source, most likely the cdr. The quality of the sound is not that good either and there are some suspiciously very vinyl like pops and clicks although I couldn't say for certain that the source for the recording is vinyl. I looked on the web site for the Free Creek release and the only mention of recording details was: "Music From Free Creek" was recorded and mixed in New York City at the Record Plant, June, July & August, 1969 So, no cd pre or post production, no mention of master tapes. I am very suspicious that this is a cd copy of the original vinyl album. No proof though, I managed to get a refund from Moogy music, but if you are unhappy and try the same, be aware that they do not refund the original shipping cost ($4) or your return postage. If you really want these recordings which are quite nice (if they were original master tapes and on a bona fide factory pressed cd), then you will have to put up with their shortcomings. It seems that much archive material these days is of low quality ( e.g Manticore Bootleg discs) and the Free Creek recordings have not been sonically enhanced like the wonderful "Epitaph" box set by King Crimson. I'm afraid that like the recent BBC Nice cd, Firecreek just sounds poor to me and I would rather forgo having them despite their rarity and enjoy the better sound quality of "official" releases. Bottom line, what a shame, interesting material, poor presentation. It seems that the bootleg quality recordings that seemed to be a feature of back street record shops of the 70s, now appear under the guise of official releases. --------------------------------------------- From: John Arnold [arnold@reluctant.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 12:27 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Says he admires Carl Palmer Currently, there's an interview with original Beatles Drummer Pete Best on the ModernDrummer.com web site. Although a very interesting interview, the reference to Carl Palmer was a pleasant surprise. URL to the full interview: http://www.moderndrummer.com/web_exclusive.asp?alt=100008226 Teaser snippet: MD: Are there particular drummers that you admire? Pete: Oh, the household names of the past: Carl Palmer, Joe Morello, Gene Krupa. When I saw Krupa in the old black & white movies playing with Glen Miller-he would take a drum solo and I would sit there open-mouthed. He had great rhythm and did a lot of tom-tom work. At that time it was like, "Wow, I wish I could get behind the kit and do that." - John - =========================== Questions (and Answers!) =========================== From: tim snyder [pirates1@epix.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 5:41 PM To: elp-digest-request@reluctant.com Subject: *** Info for the next Digest *** To whom this may concern, I noticed in the most recent Digest something about the Music from Free Creek album. Well, a few months ago I was in a New York City gallery to check out the Eddie Kramer photography show. Besides being the famous engineer at the Electric Lady Studios, Eddie Kramer was also an amateur photographer who shot many faces in the music industry such as Hendrix, Zeppelin, The Stones... Also on display were some photos from the Music from Free Creek sessions (Keith Emerson, Mitch Mitchell, Todd Rundgren). The photos can be viewed by going to www.kramerarchives.com & typing in Keith Emerson on the search area. I have a few questions that maybe someone can give me an answer to. I used to own the Mar Y Sol album & if memory serves me right ELP performed Take A Pebble & Lucky Man at the festival. Was this all they played at Mar Y Sol & most important do these two cuts appear on the Greg Lake Anthology CD & why have I never seen this Anthology in stores? Thank You, Tim Snyder --------------------------------------------- From: Dale Robinson [dalerobi@hotkey.net.au] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 8:57 AM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: fanfare for the common man video clip hi my name is dale robinson and my father is an elp fanatic and we are chasing the video clip for the fanfare for the common man. It is set in a stadium and it is snowing and I am really eager to see this clip ever since my father told me about it. If anyone knows where i can get it it would be greatly appreciated. thank you Dale [ Editor's Note: I'm hoping an ELP Digest reader will chime in with a source. I can't remember off the top of my head. That video was shot when ELP was in Montreal at Olympic Stadium preparing for their Works, Vol. 1 tour. It was in April or May but an unusually late in the season snow storm came up. So, they donned winter gear in the stadium and were filmed vamping to 'Fanfare'. For what it's worth, that video was shown on the big screen at that same Olympic Stadium when they played there with the orchestra later that summer. I was one of the thousands sitting on a very hard plywood floor covering the field thus becoming a microscopic dot on the cover of the 'In Concert' (or 'Works Live') CD. - John - ] --------------------------------------------- From: Renato G. Camargo Filho [rgcf@dglnet.com.br] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:03 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: ELP memorabilia Does anybody know where I could find posters, caps( with "elp" logo) or any other material from the power trio in USA or Europe? I look forward Best Regards Renato Filho (from Brazil) --------------------------------------------- From: Ryan Humphrey [ryan@plasticmath.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:11 AM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Interesting notes in Led Zeppelin album Having just purchased the Early Days/Latter Days set by Led Zeppelin, I was compelled to flip through the book associated with each CD. I happened across an interesting note in the Latter Days booklet that had a picture of the band playing with the caption of "January, Manticore Studios, Fulham, London" Assuming there aren't many studios named Manticore and especially in London, could this perhaps indicate an ELP/Zeppelin connection? =========================== ELP-related products, tribute bands, promoters (The ELP Digest does not endorse, etc.) =========================== From: Stephen Fone [steve.fone@bushinternet.com] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 5:25 AM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: ELP Tribute band Just to let you know there is an ELP tribute band called Brain Salad playing at our local rock club called the Limelight at Crewe on the 24th of OCT. It is a free gig as well. Have you any info on this group as i have never heard of them. keep the good work up Steve Fone. [ Editor's Note: Readers? I don't know about this tribute band? Read on for one of the ELP tribute band's that I have heard of and whose CD I have.... - John - ] --------------------------------------------- From: noddy [mailto:noddy@toylandvillage.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 4:40 PM To: John Arnold Subject: Noddy's Puncture (ELP Tribute Band) gigs Hi John. It's Tom from Noddys Puncture again. We are playing the 'Six Bells' in Chiddingly this August Bank Holiday weekend, 2 nights - Saturday and Sunday 23rd and 24th August. Also we have a gig booked at the 'Limelight Club' in Crewe on November 19th - a Wednesday. Cheers. TOM =========================== Digest subscription, mailing address, and administrative stuff to: elp-digest-request@reluctant.com ELP-related info that you want to put in the digest to: elp-digest@reluctant.com Back issues are available from the ELP Digest web site: http://www.brain-salad.com/ Note: The opinions, information, etc. contained in this digest are those of the original message sender listed in each message. They are not necessarily those of the mailing list/digest administrator or those of any institution through whose computers/networks this mail flows. Unless otherwise noted, the individual authors of each entry in the Digest are the copyright holders of that entry. Please respect that copyright and act accordingly. I especially ask that you not redistribute the ELP Digest in whole or in part without acknowledging the original source of the digest and each author. Thanks! End of ELP Digest [Volume 13, Issue 6] **************************************